Andreas Rotenberg is Co-founder and COO of Pulley, an AI-powered permitting platform helping developers and operators move projects through approvals faster. Before Pulley, he was part of the team at Honest Buildings through its acquisition, then served as Chief of Staff at Procore through its IPO. Pulley has supported over $15 billion in projects approved across the U.S. Live from ICSC+Proptech in Las Vegas.

(0:00) - First ever ICSC+Proptech live podcast
(1:47) - Why Permitting Is a Growing Bottleneck
(2:41) - What's Happening During Permitting Timelines
(4:13) - Jurisdictional Complexity Across the U.S.
(5:08) - What CRE Teams Underestimate About Permitting
(7:35) - Why Pulley
(8:18) - The Origin Story
(10:53) - Combining Technology with Local Expertise
(14:26) - Where AI Creates Real Value in Permitting
(17:36) - Trust, Hallucinations & Accuracy
(19:07) - Municipalities & Public Sector Modernization
(20:40) - Second & Third Order Effects of Faster Permitting
(22:41) - Collaboration Superpower: Vaclav Smil

🏙️ Learn more:
-Visit Pulley
-Andreas on LinkedIn
-ICSC+Proptech

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-Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
-Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
-Tangent on LinkedIn

🏙️ CO Events coming up:

-Retail & Hospitality Forum: in NYC on 6/18
-Institutional Investors & PE Forum: in NYC on 9/16
-South Florida Capital & Development Forum: in Miami on 10/15
-All upcoming events

Disclaimer: Commercial Observer Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Commercial Observer, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

James Harris built his real estate career from scratch after relocating from the UK to Los Angeles. His latest venture is Breezy, an AI tool for real estate agents designed to reduce the administrative load that eats into most agents' days. Breezy recently raised a $10 million pre-seed round led by Ribbit Capital with participation from Fifth Wall, DST Global, and others. Over the past decade he's closed more than $6 billion in luxury residential sales across Beverly Hills and the Platinum Triangle, and appeared on Bravo's Million Dollar Listing LA for seven seasons spanning over nine years before stepping away to focus on his next chapter. He also hosts Rise Above the Ranks, where he talks through the practical side of the business: negotiation, discipline, and how to build something that lasts.

(2:11) - What Proptech Gets Wrong About Real Estate Agents
(6:49) - Realtor Painpoints
(8:54) - What is Breezy
(13:32) - Why Now
(16:26) - Real Estate Agent & Founder Resiliency
(18:31) - Brand, Distribution & Early Traction
(21:42) - AI Agents Enhance and/or Replace Real Estate Agents
(24:20) - First Mover Advantage
(26:36) - What Parts of Real Estate Will Be Human-driven in 3-5 years
(28:24) - The Power of Data & Workflow Platforms
(29:16) - What Changes in Real Estate Over the Next 2-3 Years?
(30:49) - Collaboration Superpower: The Founder Entrepreneur

🏙️ Learn more:
-Visit Breezy
-James on LinkedIn
-James on IG

🏙️ Connect with Tangent:
-Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
-Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
-Tangent on LinkedIn

🏙️ Events coming up:

-Retail & Hospitality Forum: in NYC on 6/18
-Institutional Investors & PE Forum: in NYC on 9/16
-All upcoming events

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Dillon Okner is the Founder & Partner of SiteRise, a retail development and construction platform helping brands streamline site selection, store development, and portfolio expansion. With more than 15 years of experience in retail construction and operations, Dillon previously helped support the expansion of major brands including Apple and Tesla. Today, he focuses on helping retailers, restaurants, and franchise operators eliminate development bottlenecks and open locations faster through better data, workflow management, and portfolio visibility.

(01:13) - How Retail Openings Break
(03:36) - Retail Innovation Edge
(05:00) - Store development with SiteRise
(07:38) - Apple & Tesla Lessons
(09:26) - Proprietary Data
(14:07) - Construction Influence on Deals
(15:27) - Working with Brokers
(16:33) - SiteRise's Clients
(17:44) - Getting Buy-in From Stakeholders
(20:50) - Collaboration superpower: Dillon's father and grandfather

🏙️ Learn more:
-Visit SiteRise
-Dillon Okner on LinkedIn

🏙️ Connect with Tangent:
-Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
-Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
-Tangent on LinkedIn

🏙️ Events coming up:
-AI & Innovation Forum Q2: virtual on 6/10

-Retail & Hospitality Forum: in NYC on 6/18
-Institutional Investors & PE Forum: in NYC on 9/16
-All upcoming events

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Will Parrish is the Co-Founder and Chief Customer Officer of Lula, a Kansas City-based proptech platform built to streamline property maintenance for property managers and their residents. Will co-founded Lula alongside CEO Bo Lais with a mission to make property maintenance smarter — pivoting the business during the pandemic to focus on property managers in the single-family rental space, a move that fueled rapid growth. Lula recently closed a $28 million Series A round and is expanding from 42 markets to 60, with heavy investment in AI and automation. Before co-founding Lula, Will spent nearly two decades in enterprise sales and business development, including a long tenure at Thomson Reuters. 

(00:53) - How Lula Started
(02:34) - Trading Corporate for Startup Life
(03:29) - Is Maintenance Archaic
(05:49) - Where Work Orders Fail
(07:30) - Scaling 100K Work Orders
(12:28) - Building Vendor Trust & Quality
(13:19) - Expanding Markets
(16:16) - Flat Rate Pricing Playbook
(19:15) - Ideal Rental Customers
(21:54) - Integrations
(25:47) - AI In Maintenance
(30:21) - Future of Lula
(32:14) - ROI for Property Owners & Operators
(35:49) - Hardware play ahead?
(39:12) - Collaboration Superpower: MacGyver

🏙️ Learn more:
-Visit Lula
-Will Parrish on LinkedIn

🏙️ Connect with Tangent:
-Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
-Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
-Tangent on LinkedIn

🏙️ Events coming up:

-Retail & Hospitality Forum: in NYC on 6/18
-Institutional Investors & PE Forum: in NYC on 9/16
-All upcoming events

Disclaimer: Commercial Observer Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Commercial Observer, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

Don Tepman, known as StripMallGuy, is the founder of TownCentre Capital, a private equity firm focused on buying neighborhood strip centers across the United States. With over 20 years of retail real estate investing, he has completed over 45 acquisitions and raised more than $150M in LP capital, and has built one of commercial real estate's most followed voices on X, LinkedIn, and Instagram with over half a million followers.

This episode was recorded live on the red carpet at the 4th Annual Real Estate Gala in New York City, co-hosted by Don Tepman and Bob Knakal.

(00:00) – Tangent Joins Commercial Observer
(01:40) – ICSC Vegas Panel & Live Podcasts
(03:41) – Social Media & In-person Events as a Business Tool
(03:59) – StripMallGuy's AI AHA Moment
(04:18) – Why PropTech Is Hard
(05:02) – Death of the Cold Call
(5:33) - Last Tech Solution SMG Adopted
(6:45) - Collaboration Superpower: Charlie Munger
(07:31) – Rise of Tech Founders with CRE Backgrounds

🏙️ Learn more:
-Visit TownCentre Capital
-Don Tepman on LinkedIn
-StripMallGuy on X

🏙️ Connect with Tangent:
-Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
-Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
-Tangent on LinkedIn

🏙️ Events coming up:
-Residential Forum: in NYC on 5/28
-AI & Innovation Forum Q2: virtual on 6/10

-Retail & Hospitality Forum: in NYC on 6/18
-All upcoming events

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In this special episode of Tangent Proptech, Edward Cohen is on the red carpet at one of the most exclusive commercial real estate events of the year: the Real Estate Gala in New York City. This episode features rapid-fire conversations with founders, investors, brokers, developers, and operators across the proptech and commercial real estate ecosystem.

A big focus of the evening was on AI. Namely, this question: how is AI being used in real estate right now? And possibly more front-and-center: what’s hype and what’s here to stay? From leasing and marketing to underwriting and financial modeling, this episode explores where artificial intelligence is already driving value in real estate, where it’s falling short, and how we can close the gap.

(00:00) - Welcome to the Real Estate Gala Red Carpet Interviews
(02:30) - Cyrus Claffey (ButterflyMX): AI Across Product, Marketing, & Operations
(06:00) - Zach Molzer (Molzer Development) & Madi Bremer (CBRE): Networking & AI in Leasing
(08:30) - Gabe Einhorn (VryfID): Content, Consistency, and AI Efficiency
(10:00) - Kaylan Knitowski (Franklin Street): AI Workflows and Competing with Experience
(13:30) - David Auerbach (Hoya Capital): Driving Tech Adoption in Real Estate
(14:45) - Adam Steiner (Rick, Steiner, Fell, and Benowitz): Document Automation & Bridging Tech and Business
(16:45) - Humberto Lopes (HL Dynasty, Gotham Housing Alliance): A Human-First Real Estate Perspective
(19:15) - Jovian Lopes (Gotham Housing Alliance): AI for Research vs Human Relationships
(21:00) - Lauren O’Breza (Foresite CRE): AI in Brokerage & Underwriting
(24:30) - Pablo Barreiro (Fortec): Simplifying Tech Adoption & the Future of Financing
(26:00) - Shanti Ryle (Crexi): AI Data Enrichment & Storytelling Advantage
(30:30) - Rameen Inayat (Ryan): AI for Admin & Property Tax Insights
(32:00) - Collaboration Superpower: Priya Parker

 
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Ido Genosar is the CEO and Founder of Verobotics, the pioneering robotics solution for building façade maintenance, inspection, and upkeep. Prior to this, he led innovation at Aluminium Construction, Israel’s biggest façade constructor. His diverse background in building exteriors, technology and global business development is at the core of his mission to solve deep-rooted inefficiencies with breakthrough innovation.

(00:50) - “Miracle” Robotics
(02:50) - What the Façade Robot Does
(03:11) - Humanoids vs. Task-Specific Robots
(04:28) - Why Robotics Demos Fail in the Real World
(06:05) - VC Lens on Robotics
(09:13) - Funding & Adoption Reality
(12:48) - Façades as a Data Blind Spot
(15:11) - Construction Signoff & Compliance
(16:00) - Unions, Scaffolding & Safety
(18:07) - New Data-driven Decisions
(20:52) - Where's the Long-Term Value
(29:33) - Humans in the Loop
(31:48) - Best-Fit Buildings Today
(33:03) - Robots in 5 to 10 Years
(36:43) - Collaboration Superpower: Sir James Dyson, Leonardo Torres

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Verobotics
➡️ Ido Genosar on LinkedIn

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

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Zach Schofel is the Co-Founder and CEO of Cosign, a data-driven guarantor platform helping property owners and managers boost economic occupancy while expanding housing options for renters. Cosign aims to redefine renter underwriting and help multifamily owners convert more demand into leases. He is also a Principal at Eastman Residential, the largest buyers of distress student housing in the country. He leads a portfolio of 3,000+ multifamily units across the US, with a focus on student housing and value-add multifamily strategies.

(01:34) - The Eastman Residential Story
(02:29) - Cosign Origin
(03:39) - Limits of Credit Scores
(06:46) - Fraud Screening Landscape
(08:05) - Scale of the Problem
(11:54) - Underwriting Signals
(13:25) - Value creation in Multifamily tech
(15:49) - How VC Underwrites Insurtech
(18:06) - Feature: Blueprint: The Future of Real Estate 2026 in Vegas on Sep. 22-24
(20:35) - Cosign’s Differentiation
(24:17) - Mark Cuban’s Investment
(26:21) - AI in Operations
(28:18) - Collaboration Superpower: Jared Kushner & Philip Hubert

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Cosign
➡️ Zach Schofel on LinkedIn

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Oded Noy is the Chief Technology Officer at Crexi, where he leads the development of technology transforming the commercial real estate industry. A serial entrepreneur, mentor, and investor, Oded previously co-founded TrueCar, helping scale it through its IPO, and has been a longtime managing partner at Amplify.LA, an early-stage venture fund. With a track record of building and advising high-growth SaaS companies, Oded brings deep expertise in scaling platforms, driving innovation, and building high-performing teams. Known for his philosophy that great work comes from being part of something bigger than yourself, he is also a passionate advocate for mentorship and developing the next generation of builders.

(01:43) - Crexi's Evolution
(02:55) - The CRE Info Problem
(03:13) - Why Docs Create Bottlenecks
(06:42) - Information vs Intelligence in CRE
(08:54) - Proprietary Data Advantage
(09:28) - Lessons from TrueCar for CRE
(10:07) - Crexi Vault
(11:25) - Becoming the CRE OS
(13:56) - Build vs Buy in the AI Era
(17:14) - Vibe Coding Inside Real Estate Firms
(21:52) - Feature: Blueprint: The Future of Real Estate 2026 in Vegas on Sep. 22-24
(22:43) - How AI Compresses Deal Cycles
(24:29) - What Differentiates Winners in CRE
(30:48) - What Gets Automated Next
(35:39) - Collaboration Superpower: Geoffrey Hinton & Marcus Licinius Crassus

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Crexi
➡️ Oded Noy on LinkedIn

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Adam Segal is the Co-Founder and CEO of Cove, a property operations and tenant experience platform used across 3,500 buildings in the US, and 15% of office buildings in Manhattan, NYC. He started as an operator, building and managing a network of coworking spaces, which led to creating Cove as an in-house solution to run building operations more efficiently. Under his leadership, Cove has grown into a unified platform that replaces fragmented systems across access, maintenance, visitor management, and tenant engagement, and is trusted by major institutional owners including RXR, Silverstein, Nuveen, and Blackstone, powering operations in assets like Chicago's Willis Tower. Adam focuses on solving real operational problems for property teams first, then scaling those solutions across portfolios to improve efficiency, retention, and overall asset performance.

(02:01) - From Coworking to Cove
(03:19) - Platform & Asset Focus
(05:08) - Willis Tower
(07:05) - How Cove Wins Buildings
(10:04) - Change Management Playbook
(13:11) - Operational Blind Spots
(15:46) - Owner vs 3rd-party Management
(18:12) - Feature: CREtech New York on Oct. 20-21.
(19:35) - How Tenants Use Cove
(23:37) - AI in Property Operations
(26:36) - Real-Time Feedback
(29:05) - Staying Through Asset Sales
(30:36) - Collaboration Superpower: Thomas A. Edison

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