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In mine and Franks third conversation I cannot help myself but indulge in a bit of cathedral musings. I’d just read The Pillars of the Earth and World Without End by Ken Follett, also known as the cathedral or Kingsbridge series, where there are cathedrals being built.
In the third conversation with Beverly Delidow of Here’s a Quarter we drop a lot of recommendations, all available at the bottom of this episode description, in case you get curious and wanna find out more.
Diving into the difference between the laws of tribal and modern societies, the distinctive difference in their rally cries for redemption versus retribution reminded me of an amazing Moth-story by Hector Black, that I blogged about in April of 2014. Hectors tells a horrible story of his daughter (in love, if not by birth), and shows an absolutely astonishing ability to forgive.
I mention (yet another book) by Daniel Quinn. Not called WHEN but IF they give you lined paper, write sideways. But honestly… it’s not a matter of IF, it is a matter of WHEN, as we are all given lined paper, that is, lulled into believing the norm-driving stories of the culture(s) we live in.
Immersing myself in Daniel Quinns writings as well as spending a lot of time with my Buddha-friend Dominic, has gotten me to a place where I finally (I’ve said it before and will say it again, sometimes it takes a long time for the penny to drop) have started to see the importance of context. Who says what, based on what hidden, underlying assumptions? When a question is asked, try to get under the skin of it, finding out what’s implied by the question.
That’s what Quinn means when he says write sideways.
Don’t. Just. Swallow. It.
Or, stated in another way:
Think. For. Yourself.
Honestly, I find that a lot harder than it sounds. Especially as I choose to trust (in me, in you, in the world), and will remain in trust until proven wrong.
Now there’s some tankespjärn for you!
Links:
Hector Black on The Moth
If they give you lined paper, write sideways, by Daniel Quinn
I mention attachment theory, speaking about Ross Green but honestly, who I meant to refer to is Gordon Neufeld. Sorry about that! But hey, two for the price of one, Green is worth a look too!
There’s The children’s fire and The Imitation Game too.
Oops… Intro forgotten, remembered, only to be lost in space somewhere, somehow. So here’s an episode without my usual short introduction. If you want the brief version (yeah, right. When have I ever managed to be brief?) it’s about lessons learned through, or thanks to, online dating. Now for the musings of which there were plenty in this my second conversation with Gary Breads.
As we start to meander, before long we come to talk about gardens, houses, and housing as a human right, no less.
Mayke has recently gone through eye surgery. Curious as I am (a biologist at that, with a GP for a mom, who was in med-school for most of my childhood, which meant there were loads of creepy and enticing medical textbooks lying around to look at, oh how exciting!) I couldn’t help but ask a question that’s been on my mind… Does eyes have pain receptors?
As I read the transcript from our conversation, I duck-duck-go ”pain receptors eye” and am met by the suggested question: are there pain receptors in the eye. Turns out, I’m not the first person to search for that answer, and I’ll simply point you to this potential rabbit hole, one I suspect I could spend a lot of times diving deeper and deeper into!
Mayke is amazed at the clarity of vision she’s gained back thanks to eye surgery, and it is absolutely fantastic what we are able to do today with modern technology, I must say. And… I actually had an appointment scheduled for eye surgery myself, many years ago, to perform eye-sight-enhancing surgery (laser?) so I’d no longer need glasses… but I chickened out! There’s something to messing with stuff that doesn’t really need to be messed with, that… I don’t know…
However, I’ve made good use of my glasses, and not just the physical ones. I’m great at using what I call mental glasses too, which is when I set my mind to something, writing it on my glasses, in my imagination that is, and then… everything I look at I look through those glasses. It’s actually turned into one of my super-powers, that I first spotted, for real, a few years after Alan Seale, Master coach, gave me the gift of a life time. He asked, in his gentle kind way, how does this serve? That’s a question that spent many years written across my mental glasses!
Alan Seale is actually the connector between me and Mayke, so he’s give me more gifts than one! We met up in Vught in the Netherlands in… the spring of 2013, at the first (I think?) Transformational Presence global summit (yeah. Sure sounds fancy!) he organized. I have a lot to thank that summit for, as that was whereas of my Campfire Sisters first met (me and Mayke constitute 50% of the quartet).
Using glasses is one of the best ways I know of (for me, not saying it’s a magic bullet) to create new habits that serve me. And creating new habits can take a lot of effort and time. However, have you ever thought about that fact that if, for some reason you’d want to ditch this new hard-earned benefitting habit of yours, or if you fear you’d revert to the old one, it would take you as long, and as much effort, to replace the new habit it with another one, regardless if it new or old? If you’re gonna do that, you are likely to make sure it’s a habit that will serve you even more!
But regardless how great my eye-sight is, there are things about me, that I cannot see, that are apparent and obvious to you. And there’s that within you that I can see, that you cannot. One (more) reason why great friends are so valuable, as they can remind you of all that you are, even if you forget now and again. Now there’s some tankespjärn for you!
(And. Guess what, everything I write about here –with the exception of the Campfire-sisterhood–, and in all these episode descriptions, is stuff we talk about. But I’d need ten times the number of words to be able to tell it all. ’Cuz there’s more. Much more. Rest assured!)
Now, Frank is an architect, and it just so happens, I’ve worked a lot with facilities in the pharma industry. At the moment, I’m busy with a project building a facility, and I get to do that what I both love doing and am really good at: design the layout of a plant.
Gary Breads and I have been having frequent Zoom-get togethers since The Creative’s Workshop ended in July of 2020. There’s a special story to this, as I was a late joiner of a weekly Open Mic-session within the workshop. The very first meeting I attended, I had a few different blog posts chosen to read, one a bit racy, to say the least (Bliss). I wasn’t sure it would be appropriate, but then I heard Gary read a lovely poem about a volcano and I knew, without a doubt, that I would read Bliss.
In parallel with me battling Covid-19, Gary experienced the dark night of the soul, where he felt his psyche, emotionality, spirituality all be foreclosed. Not one, not two, but all three of them. Gary says ’I basically went back to God or source or love and said, I need to come home.’ only to be met with ’the gates of heaven aren’t open for you right now’. Ouch!
The very day the first episode (with Beverly) was released I had a walk and talk with an acquaintance, and as she asked me what the pod ”was about”, I could only giggle before I tried to explain it: ”It’s a meandering conversation, that is not ”about” anything really. It’s a recording of what happens when two people meet up, start somewhere, and have no clue where they'll end up.”
Time and attention is a gift I’ve gotten from Alison Coates ever since we met up in the very first cohort of The Creative’s Workshop by AKIMBO in the spring of 2020. Time and attention is what Alison does, or rather, gives to people. And if that doesn’t make any sense to you, check out https://www.timeandattention.uk/.
Alison is one of those people without whom –even though we’ve not met (yet) in the flesh– my week simply doesn’t feel quite right. Luckily the feeling is mutual, so we do meet up (at least once) weekly, in a variety of constellations. More than once I’ve left a Zoom-meeting with her thinking ”Damn, we should have recorded this conversation!” because there’s been so much wisdom and richness shared between us. Naturally, when the idea for this podcast was born, Alison was the first person I asked to join, and this first of our recorded conversations wasn’t one to let me down.
I came scurrying home when we were supposed to start our conversation, having just spent a lovely time in the open-air bathing house/sauna so… we dove straight into being naked. And bodies. Body hair. And on account of me fairly recently having opened a profile on the online dating-app/forum Badoo, I’ve been musing quite a lot about what attracts versus repels me. A bunch of my prejudices are here for the taking in other words, but Alison jumped off that cliff too, so I’ve got great company.
Opening up about this causes us to meander past inclusion, exclusion and the horrible word ’tolerance’. (Think about it. Tolerance. ”I tolerate you.” Like. Really?) How do personal boundaries play a part in all of this? And do they?
The messy part in the middle, the conversations where I am neither Black nor White, not Pro nor Con, Red or Blue, or whatever polarity have you. Those conversations. We’re missing out on a lot of those, but why? Fear? Wanting to have it my way? Taking things to personally (I know I’ve been guilty of this in the past, for sure! Probably still am, however much ”in the past” I’d want it to be.)?
In the middle of a global pandemic with COVID-19 vaccine roll-out just about picking up speed, what if you are neither For the vaccine nor Against it? What if you find yourself in the middle, in the gray zone in-between Black and White? Another area where we hook arms, and as lovely as it is not to be alone there, it’s quite frustrating to observe the lack of conversation generally made possible in this no-man’s-land, the land of being able to see the pro’s and con’s of both sides.
Which brings us to the topic of prophets and Ishmael (the book by Daniel Quinn). If you divide the world into two main cultures, the Takers (us, sorry. But yeah. I’m there. And so are you. 99,9% likely.) and the Leavers (remnants of indigenous people spread across the globe), prophets are found amongst the former and not the latter. Can you think of a reason why?
Daniel Quinn did. He points to the fact that Taker culture is on the look out for someone to tell them the one right way to live. And once we’ve found that one-size-fit’s-all-way, we work hard as hell to make everyone around us comply. Whereas Leaver-culture is based on finding out, and sharing amongst themselves, what works. For them. Not for everyone. So you have a Leaver-culture living in the jungle, another in the desert, a third in the Arctics. All of them have a set of rules for what works, for them. But neither of them would try to make anyone else live accordingly.
Now there’s some potential tankespjärn!
First published on my blog on February 11th, 2021: https://tankespjarn.com/the-prayer-of-your-soul/
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