This Podcast presents Chapter 60 of the Tao Te Ching, focusing on the ideal of governing a large state. The core message emphasizes a gentle, non-interventional approach, comparing governance to carefully cooking small fish—avoiding excessive interference. This approach, rooted in the Tao (Way), fosters a peaceful society where neither supernatural forces nor wise individuals feel compelled to intervene. Harmony arises naturally from this lack of disruptive action, creating a simple and peaceful world. The chapter ultimately advocates for a leadership style based on integrity and non-interference to achieve social equilibrium.