Tech Won't Save Us

As tech companies race to build hyperscale data centers, communities are coming together to push back. Saul Levin joins Paris Marx to discuss how rising opposition to data center construction is uniting people across party lines and prompting broader conversations around what infrastructure people want instead. 

Saul Levin is community organizer and host of The Hum.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• You can now pre-order Paris’s new book, Hyperscale: The Ambition and Excess of Big Tech's Data Empires.
• Saul wrote a piece with Astra Taylor about the bigger picture of data center organizing.
• The Seminole Nation in Oklahoma passed a ban on AI data centers on their lands.
• Sam Altman and Gov. Gretchen Whitmer posing together at the site of a new data center drew wide criticism.

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The Canadian government is going all in on AI, without understanding the real effects of the technology. Hadrian Mertins-Kirkwood joins Paris Marx to discuss Mark Carney’s push for large-scale investment in AI, despite being unable to describe how adoption will work, how Canadians will benefit, and what policies will be implemented to mitigate growing risks and harms. 

Hadrian Mertins-Kirkwood senior researcher and political economist at the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson. Support the show on Patreon.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Hadrian wrote about the Canadian government’s new AI strategy.
• Paris wrote about the AI strategy and the new social media policy.
• The Canada Revenue Agency chatbot is expensive and giving incorrect information.
• The Canadian Immigration Department is using AI that hallucinates when reviewing applications.
• AI tools intended for Ontario doctors are providing incorrect information.
• Here’s an overview of the federal AI strategy, “AI for All.”

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The Uber model is finally coming for healthcare. Katie J. Wells joins Paris Marx to discuss how much the healthcare gig apps resemble Uber’s rollout, why they aren’t being properly regulated, and the effects they’re having on staff and patients alike.

Katie J. Wells is a Senior Fellow at AI Now Institute and a co-author of Disrupting D.C.: The Rise of Uber and the Fall of the City.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Paris asked listeners to fill out a survey. It will only take a few minutes!
• Here is Katie’s most recent work examining the gig model for healthcare.
• Ontario’s auditor general found serious flaws in the transcripts of AI scribes.

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SpaceX is finally going public, and it’s bad news for anyone who wants to rein in Elon Musk. Sean O’Kane joins Paris Marx to discuss the flimsy sci-fi ideas Elon Musk is using to justify the company’s massive valuation and the way corporate governance rules are shifting to give him even more power.

Sean O’Kane is a senior reporter at TechCrunch.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Paris asked listeners to fill out a survey. It will only take a few minutes!
• Sean wrote about the SpaceX IPO and the worrying ways it will increase Elon Musk’s power.
• After recording, Sean also wrote about how SpaceX is getting a major boost from the Trump administration.
• SpaceX has made a deal with Anthropic.
• Musk has a poor environmental regulation record.
• OpenAI bought a tech podcast.

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Generative AI is making its way into many parts of society, and schools are no different. Tom Mullaney joins Paris Marx to discuss how generative AI has been adopted in K-12 education and the many concerns it presents for students and teachers.

Tom Mullaney is a high school social studies teacher in the suburbs of Philadelphia.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Here is the New Yorker article on AI in schools.
• For those looking for a refresher on Weizenbaum and ELIZA.
• Here is the paper “On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big”.
• For those curious about the Canvas breach.
• Students have been booing pro-AI speeches and AI presence in graduation ceremonies.
• xAI is facing a lawsuit for polluting Black neighborhoods.

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Polymarket and Kalshi are everywhere. But what are they doing to society? Jathan Sadowski joins Paris Marx to discuss the rise of prediction markets and their negative social effects as they push the global economy closer toward the financialization of everything. 

Jathan Sadowski is an Associate Professor at Monash University. He is the author of The Mechanic and the Luddite and co-hosts This Machine Kills.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Jathan wrote about Kalshi trying to bring about the financialization of everything in Fast Company.
• The NYT reported on the use of classified information by a US soldier to place a bet on the capture of Maduro.
• Wired just reported on how the US is using AI to spot insider trading.
• Polymarket users sent death threats to a reporter.

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What happens when a government goes all in on AI? It creates some huge vulnerabilities. Will Dunn joins Paris Marx to dig into how the UK government is using chatbots to write laws without public consultation and why it isn’t asking the hard questions about the risks of that growing reliance on US technology.

Will Dunn is the business editor at the New Statesman.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Will wrote about the UK government’s adoption of AI and the risks it presents.
• Rishi Sunak is working with Anthropic.
• Sunak acknowledges companies reliant on AI technology are hiring less young people.
• Will shouts out the book Fancy Bear Goes Phishing by Scott J. Shapiro.

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Paris Marx is joined by Ben Tarnoff and Quinn Slobodian to discuss their new book Muskism which explores how Elon Musk exemplifies a new economic system shaping our lives, similar to Fordism in the twentieth century.

Ben Tarnoff & Quinn Slobodian are the authors of Muskism. Ben is a writer and technologist based in Massachusetts and the author of Internet for the People. Quinn is professor of international history at Boston University, and the author of books like Crack-Up Capitalism.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• For listeners who are feeling extra academic, here is the Milton Friedman economics paper, “The Methodology of Positive Economics.”
• Quinn discusses his struggle to find any reporting on Jared Leto and the Optimus robot media stunt (that goes deeper than commenting on the virality).

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Paris Marx is joined by Brian Merchant to discuss Apple’s announcement that Tim Cook is stepping down as CEO, including his history and legacy, and what may be next for the company.

Brian Merchant is the author of The One Device and Blood in the Machine and writes a newsletter of the same name.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Brian’s most recent newsletter covers Tim Cook’s stepping down, as well as Palantir’s manifesto.
• Brian has previously written about Foxconn’s working conditions.
• Brian mentioned Patrick McGee’s book Apple in China.

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Paris Marx is joined by Karl Bode to discuss how tech journalists coupled with corporate interests are irresponsibly boosting the profile of tech CEOs, further damaging public trust in institutional journalism and highlighting the need for publicly funded media organizations.

Karl Bode is a freelance reporter and writes The Fine Print newsletter.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is made in partnership with The Nation. Production is by Kyla Hewson.

Also mentioned in this episode:

• Karl wrote about how the press mythologizes tech CEOs.
• The New Yorker published a brutal article on Sam Altman’s compulsive lying to get ahead.
• OpenAI’s Pentagon deal led to a large user migration.
• Shout out to Karen Hao’s book Empire of AI
• Allbirds, the shoe company, is now entering the AI space.
• Here is the latest on the attacks on Sam Altman’s home.
• Meta has been found to amplify hate and contribute to genocide, something that is an ongoing concern with the platform. And we can’t forget about attempts to force their ‘Free Basics’ internet on India.

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