We are kicking off Season Three with a powerful conversation about faith in a volatile world. Reverend Gerlyn Henry joins Emilie and Ashlie to discuss the ethics of ministry during times of global conflict and political tension. From the "resistance of joy" to the necessity of lamenting for Gaza and protecting the dignity of immigrants, this episode is a call to a bigger, more inclusive theology.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Faith in the Public Square: Navigating ministry and social justice in today's climate.

• The Call to Lament: Centering human dignity (Imago Dei) during the crisis in Gaza.

• Bridges, Not Barriers: How radical hospitality humanizes the immigrant and the refugee.

• Prophetic Joy: Why finding joy in turbulence is a vital form of spiritual resistance.

Connect with our Guest:

• Instagram: @Gerlynhenry

• Location: St. Jude’s in Scarborough, Ontario (through July 2026).

Annual Women’s Event: Becoming Sovereign

• Full Title: Becoming Sovereign - Claiming your story, honoring your agency & Building our Beloved Community

• Date: March 7th, 2026

• Time: 6:00 PM – 8:30 PM (Doors open at 5:30 PM)

• Tickets: Available at thatschurch.org

Book Club & Field Trips

• Book Club: March 12th | 7:00 PM | Draper, Utah.

• Easter Field Trip: Join us at St. Mary’s Episcopal Church in Provo, Utah.

• Date: Thursday, April 2nd (Evening).

Follow the journey:

• Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast

• Website: thatschurch.org

Upcoming Events & Community Gatherings

This special Season 2 finale was filmed last summer at Our Savior Lutheran Church and captures something deeply meaningful to us.

What began as an invitation from Pastor Reba to talk about faith, interfaith work, and peacebuilding quickly became a full day of connection. After inviting us to speak with the church council, the congregation welcomed us back during a summer BBQ filled with bouncy houses, incredible food, and people of all ages.

This was the first time we had ever attempted community-style interviews. We bought microphones, stepped into the unknown, and listened.

We spoke with youth, young couples raising small children, longtime members who have seen decades of change, and those who come and go but still feel at home. We talked with Pastor Reba and a member preparing to step into a lay pastor role to assist her. Across every conversation, one theme remained constant: everyone feels welcome here.

Whether people arrived as lifelong Lutherans or from entirely different faith backgrounds—or none at all—each person shared how deeply accepted and valued they feel. Two older women, standing close and gently holding each other’s hands, embodied the tenderness and belonging that lives within this community.

This episode took time to edit, but it felt like the perfect way to close Season 2.

Looking Ahead to Season 3

Season 3 includes conversations with Gerlyn Henry, David Hayward (The Naked Pastor), and many other thoughtful voices we’re excited to share.

As a growing nonprofit, we are also seeking a video editor who is interested in donating their time, gaining hands-on experience, and working with an organization focused on interfaith dialogue and peacebuilding.
📧 Interested? Email [email protected]

Upcoming Event — March 2026

📅 March 7
📍 Compass Gallery

Becoming Sovereign

Claiming Your Story, Honoring Your Agency, and Building Our Beloved Community

Presenters:

• McArthur Krishna
• Maxine Hanks
• Amy Watkins Jensen of Women on the Stand

Each year, we host a women-centered event in March and an interfaith-focused event in the fall. This gathering centers women’s voices, personal agency, and the work of building beloved community. We would love to have you join us.

Connect With Us

📸 Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast
🌐 Website: https://thatschurch.org

In this episode of That’s Church, we sit down with Ariel Munyer for a thoughtful conversation about faith, curiosity, and connection.

Ariel shares her experiences attending different religious spaces, navigating faith alongside LGBTQ+ loved ones, and teaching with vulnerability and creativity. She also talks about her work as a professional genealogist and how uncovering family stories can be a deeply spiritual practice—one rooted in memory, belonging, and community.

This episode explores what it means to stay connected without certainty, to lead with compassion, and to find God through people rather than perfection.

• Exploring other churches with honesty and openness

• Holding faith with nuance

• Supporting LGBTQ+ loved ones in religious spaces

• Women’s leadership in faith communities

• Genealogy as sacred storytelling

• Community as a spiritual practice

As Season 2 begins to close, this conversation feels like a bridge—honoring where we’ve been and pointing toward what’s next.

Join us for our next That’s Church event:

March 7 at 6:00 PM
Doors open at 5:30 PM
📍 The Compass Gallery
Provo, Utah

Season 3 will focus more on leaders, professional speakers, and religious thinkers whose work aligns with the heart of That’s Church.

Upcoming guests include:

• David Hayward, also known as The Naked Pastor

• Gerlyn Henry

Season 3 will be focused entirely outside of our own religion.

That’s Church is a nonprofit seeking a podcast editor interested in gaining experience and building a portfolio through meaningful work. Reach out if you’re interested.

📸 Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast
🌐 Website: thatschurch.org

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In this deeply honest and powerful episode, we sit down with Kelly Robinson—a mom of five, entrepreneur, and resilient woman whose life story challenges simple narratives about faith, family, and identity.

Kelly shares what it was like growing up in a strict, high-demand religion in the South as a biracial girl navigating racism, rigid expectations, and a culture where worthiness was tied to perfection. Raised by a mother deeply committed to the church, Kelly learned early on what it meant to follow the rules, suppress questions, and internalize shame.

As a teenager, Kelly faced an experience that would alter the course of her life—one marked by isolation, fear, and a lack of support at a moment when she needed it most. Rather than breaking her, that moment became the catalyst for her spiritual awakening and her first real experience of feeling seen, protected, and deeply valued.

In this episode, Kelly opens up about:

• Growing up biracial in predominantly white religious spaces

• Shame culture, perfectionism, and conditional love

• Separating God from organized religion

• Trauma, healing, and trusting intuition

• Parenting with agency and compassion

• Breaking generational cycles

• Building a meaningful life rooted in authenticity

Today, Kelly parents five kids as a single mom and owns her own salon in Draper, Utah. Her children are her entire world, and her story is a testament to resilience, self-trust, and choosing love over fear.

We hope to see you at our annual Women's Event on March 7, 2026. Doors open at 5:30PM and the event start at 6PM and goes until 8:30PM. It will be held at The Compass Gallery in Provo Utah.

Follow our 501(c)3 nonprofit on Instagram @thatschurchpodcast

Check out our website for Book Club, Field Trips, upcoming Events and more at thatschurch.org.

Guest:

Dr. Jessica Spence Moss — Executive Director of the Interfaith Youth Alliance, professor, and Latter-day Saint whose work helps youth use faith and values as a moral compass for service and compassion.

In this episode:

• How interfaith work strengthens, not threatens, faith

• The difference between serving and proselyting

• Helping youth find meaning through connection and discomfort

• Why learning others’ “spiritual languages” can deepen our own

• The power of showing up with love and humility in divided times

Mentioned in this episode:

• Interfaith Youth Alliance

• Interfaith Youth Alliance on Instagram

Upcoming with That’s Church:

• 🌍 From Bias to Belonging: An Interfaith Call to Compassion — Friday, December 6 at Compass Gallery. Join Rabbi Sam Spector and Imam Shuaib Din as they share the stage for a courageous and hopeful conversation about unity and peacemaking during a time of global tension.

• 📚 That’s Church Book Club — explore faith, growth, and belonging with us.

• ⛪ Christmas Eve Field Trip — a peaceful morning visiting a local congregation together.

Connect with That’s Church:

🌐 thatschurch.org

📸 @thatschurchpodcast

Rising Violet

Before we dive in, we want to highlight Rising Violet, the nonprofit Tiffany founded. Rising Violet provides one-time $1,000 gifts to women pursuing financial independence, with priority given to mothers who once relied on a partner and now need to be self-supporting. Applications are accepted three times a year (deadlines: Jan 31, May 31, Sep 30). Applicants must live in the U.S., complete a short essay and call with a board member, and consent to a background check limited to financial crimes. These gifts are a powerful way to help women move toward stability with dignity.

Episode summary

Allyson Reynolds and Tiffany Sowby, co-hosts of The Sisterhood Podcast, join us to talk about friendship, faith, and the power of hard conversations. Their podcast was born out of a love for women’s stories and a need for candid dialogue around the intersection of faith, politics, social issues, and interfaith experiences. Together, they’ve built a space where women who love the gospel but sometimes struggle with the church can feel less alone.

About our guests

The Sisterhood Podcast grew from Allyson and Tiffany’s years of writing and organizing with Power of Moms. Over time it has evolved into an encouraging place for women across the faith spectrum—orthodox, nuanced, or post-LDS.

• Allyson grew up mostly in the Midwest, has lived all over the U.S., and now lives in Minnesota.

• Tiffany was born and raised in England and now lives in Utah. Together they’re raising nine kids, plus a dog and some goats.

What we cover

• The friendship and creative spark that led to The Sisterhood Podcast

• Why they resisted becoming “just another Mormon mom podcast” and leaned into broader women’s issues

• How interfaith experiences shaped their faith and outlook

• Backing each other up in church conversations, not just speaking out

• Creating a welcoming space across the faith spectrum

• Why practice makes hard conversations easier

Stories & themes

• Tiffany’s interfaith childhood: growing up LDS near London alongside Catholic, Muslim, and Hindu friends

• Allyson’s perspective shift: from an “only true church” mindset in the Midwest to learning from a Muslim roommate at BYU and later a mission in Japan

• Utah culture chats: the “mission field” mindset and assumptions about who is or isn’t LDS

• Learning to speak up: why courage and community matter in making space for diverse voices

Books mentioned

• If the Tide Turns — Rachel Rueckert

• The Distance Between Us — Reyna Grande

• The Courage to Be Disliked — Ichiro Kishimi & Fumitake Koga

Light-hearted closers

Stories of bumpers needing babysitters, surprise window encounters after a shower, and awkward pediatrician moments because we always end with humor.

Connect with us

Follow along for updates on episodes, events, field trips, and our upcoming retreat:

• Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast

• Website: thatschurch.org

Guests:

• Ashli Carnicelli – Writer, singer, and passionate believer in the Divine Feminine

• Trina Caudle – Editor, historian, scoutmaster, and macro-photographer

• McArthur Krishna – Author, artist, and advocate for spiritual wholeness

Topics Covered:

• Ashli’s Catholic upbringing and connection to Mary, the mother of Jesus

• McArthur’s years in India and insights into Hindu goddesses and the Divine Feminine

• Trina’s interfaith experience as a scoutmaster in Methodist and Presbyterian spaces

• Tangible stories of connection with Heavenly Mother

• How Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Guide came to life

• Advice for those just beginning to explore their relationship with Heavenly Mother

Resources Mentioned:

• 📘 Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Guide – Order on Amazon

• 📝 Gospel Topics Essay: Mother in Heaven – Read it here

Follow Us:

📸 Instagram: @thatschurchpodcast

🎧 Listen to Meagan’s podcast Beyond the Shadow of Doubt wherever you get your podcasts

🧘‍♀️ SPONSOR SHOUTOUT

We’re also excited to share something personal that’s been helping us on our own spiritual path. Maryam Jubera of Mental Mocean offers “meditations that move the mind”and they truly do. With a Master’s in Coaching and advanced NLP certification, plus a life full of real healing, Maryam brings unmatched depth to her work.

Her online meditation program is just $5/month, and it’s designed to be accessible, transformative, and lasting. You can find her on Instagram at @mentalmocean and explore her offerings at www.mentalmocean.life. Use our code THATCHURCH50 when you join.

In Part Two, we continue our conversation with Casey McFarland co-host of Pioneering Paradox. This time, we explore:

• Casey’s experience attending 50+ churches with his wife and kids

• What interfaith experiences taught him about faith and empathy

• The power of curiosity in healing spiritual and cultural divides

• Why he believes God “has no favorites”

• Reflections on sacred texts like the Bhagavad Gita and the Qur’an

• His upcoming Italy tours and Superstition Tour with Patrick Mason

• His role on our new That’s Church nonprofit board as Executive Research Board Member

Follow Casey & Learn More:

• Instagram: @pioneeringparadox

• Travel Tours & Updates: www.iamcasey.com/travel

In this episode, we sit down with Casey McFarland, co-host along with Wil Wood of Pioneering Paradox and the voice behind one of Instagram’s most thoughtful spaces for conflicted Latter-day Saints. We discuss:

• How to talk to teens about Church history and faith struggles

• What it means to be honest without oversharing

• Casey’s own break from religion and what he learned visiting over 50 churches

• Building bridges between nuanced and orthodox members

• Casey’s Italy tours and upcoming Superstition Tour with Patrick Mason

Big news: That’s Church is now an official nonprofit! And Casey has joined our board as Executive Research Board Member. Stay tuned, we’ve got exciting things ahead.

Follow Casey & Learn More:

• Instagram: @pioneeringparadox

• Travel Tours & Updates: www.iamcasey.com/travel

  
  

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Guest: Kurt Francom

• Founder and Executive Director of Leading Saints

• Host of the Leading Saints Podcast – available anywhere you get your podcasts

• Author of Is God Disappointed in Me? Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace – Get it here on Amazon (available in paperback and audio)

Follow Kurt on Instagram:@leadingsaints

Episode Highlights:

• Kurt’s perspective on grace and why God isn’t disappointed in us

• The difference between correction and disappointment

• The role of grace and commandments in our relationship with God

• How visiting other faiths has enriched his spiritual understanding

🎉 Upcoming Event! 🎉

Join us for our Divine Feminine and Women’s Empowerment Event on National Women’s Day, March 8th, from 5 PM to 8 PM at The Compass Gallery in Provo, Utah.

✨ This event is for both men and women who want to explore the power of the divine feminine through art, conversation, and meaningful connections.

🎟️ Get your tickets now at: tinyurl.com/empower2025

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