Livia Sara is writing what she calls her "motherfucker book!" Over 100,000 words on anorexia and autism, complete with the entire history of both conditions and how their storylines are deeply intertwined. It's called Anorexia Autistica, and she wants it in the DSM one day. She writes on this topic from both lived and professional experiences and is changing the world of eating disorders for autistic people!

In this episode, Livia breaks down everything we get wrong about eating disorders in autistic people, from the "eating disorder is a separate entity" model to forced compliance in treatment centers. She explains why it's not about body image, why weighing food actually helped her eat MORE, and why the word "recovery" can be so dangerous.

We also talk about her book Rainbow Girl, the adaptive eating spectrum, why "the eating disorder talking" is gaslighting, and what it means to live label-free while honoring that labels can save your life. Kory and Livia gush about autistic joy and their shared love for writing, learning, and helping people through their lived experience. Hearts crack open as we share our transformative experiences within deliberately created autistic community.

Livia's Books and Programs:
Livia Sara's website
Livia's books:

"Rainbow Girl "(memoir),

"How to Beat Extreme Hunger: A Neurodiversity-Affirming Guide to Food Freedom"

"How To Get Out of Quasi Recovery"

Autistically ED Free Academy: 8-week group coaching program combining autism and eating adaptations

Resources:
Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism:
Instagram.com/neurokoryous
Kory's Unmasking Retreats
Online Neuro-affirming care course for therapists

Janet McNamara is a professional comedian whose 45-minute special "Not Smart Enough" went viral with over 130,000 views on YouTube. She quit corporate America after 15 years of panic attacks, got passed at the Comedy Cellar (with a little help from Amy Schumer), and is moving to New York to pursue comedy full-time.

She's also been assessed for autism THREE times and rejected every time based on outdated criteria...because she's "coordinated," because "people with autism have high IQs," because she "doesn't have sensory issues" (she only wears one brand of socks and didn't notice until a friend pointed it out), and because she "makes appropriate facial expressions" (learned in social skills class as a kid).

Her final diagnosis? Social anxiety disorder. Not autism.

In this episode, Janet talks about sabotaging tests because she doesn't want to find "something else wrong with me," building a comedy career that works for her brain, the neurotypical scripts that feel fake, corporate sensory overload (seven people talking at once in meetings), and her best friend Emily saying, "That's because you're autistic."

This conversation will make you laugh and cry. Janet's story is proof that sometimes you have to build your own life when the world won't accommodate you.

A note from a neuro-affirming, AuDHD therapist/diagnostician: It doesn't have to be this way. If you've had negative healthcare experiences like Janet's, you're not alone. There are providers out there who listen and who "get it." Please connect with the resources below if you need support.

Sharing this podcast helps get autistic voices into the world telling their stories. Please share with anyone who needs to hear they're not alone. Your story matters.

Find Janet McNamara:

YouTube: Janet McNamara (45-minute special "Not Smart Enough")

Instagram: @janet.mcnamara

Performing at the Comedy Cellar in NYC soon!
Get more Janet at a town near you on Punchup

Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous

Neuro-affirming autism assessments
Unmasking Retreats: koryandreas.com

YouTube: @ThatsMePod
Online Neuroaffirming care course for therapists

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Rabbi Shoshana Meira Friedman came through climate justice, congregational leadership, and a burnt-out autistic body raising a high-needs autistic child who wanted the calendar recited as a bedtime story.

Her son's burnout at age five, despite doing everything "right," despite being neurodivergent-affirming, despite zero childhood trauma, led her to PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance or Pervasive Drive for Autonomy) . And what she built from there changed everything we know about PDA. Rabbi Shoshana is the creator of the PDA Safe Circle, an approach that's actionable, visual, intuitive, and completely different from anything else in the PDA space.

In this episode, Rabbi Shoshana explains why "low demand" isn't enough, how to actually map what's jabbing at your (or your child's) safe circle, and creating the conditions where thriving is possible. We also talk about grief work, community organizing, and trusting unconventional paths.

We also talk about:

• The PDA Safe Circle approach: what it is, how it works, and why it's different
• Why arrows (not just demands) are what really matter
• The antenna around our safe circles that detect threats to autonomy, control, social equality, and co-regulation
• How climate grief work prepared her for disability advocacy
• Building an online community that's actually hopeful and safe

This conversation will change how you think about PDA, autonomy, trust, and what it means to build a life that actually fits.

Find Rabbi Shoshana Meira Friedman:

• Website: https://pdasafecircle.com
• Instagram: @rabbishoshana
• Free resources: Free coloring book (for all ages), blog with resources at pdasafecircle.com

PDA Safe Circle Community:

• Everyone gets a free week
• Accessibility rates available :no one is turned away
• One-on-one coaching, staff training, clinician certification program

Mentioned in this episode:

• PDA North America Conference
• Amanda Diekman podcast (life-changing for understanding PDA)
• Jenna Goldstein (ND3): https://nd3.org

Resources:

• Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous
• Unmasking Retreats: https://koryandreas.com
• Subscribe to That's Me! podcast: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | YouTube

Jenna Goldstein spent 15 years as a school psychologist watching the system pathologize, punish, and misidentify neurodivergent kids. Eventually, the gap between what she knew was right and what schools were willing to do became impossible to navigate. The schools and Jenna were "going in totally different directions" in their thinking, their worldviews about humans and children, their understanding of diversity. So she left, and built something better.

In this episode, Jenna pulls back the curtain on what really happens in schools when a child might be autistic. She explains why schools aren't equipped to identify autism, how power dynamics silence professionals who see clearly, and what it means to create the conditions where neurodivergent kids can actually thrive.

We also talk about:

• Why schools and professionals are "speaking a completely different language" about the same child
• The three neurodivergent perspectives Jenna brings to her work (as an autistic person, parent of autistic kids, and former school psychologist)
• How she a one of the "best and brightest" students in school
• The PDA Safe Circle and her work with Rabbi Shoshana Meira Friedman
• What autistic joy looks like when you're doing hip hop dance as an adult
  

This conversation is a masterclass in seeing systems clearly, speaking truth even when it's unwelcome, and building the world neurodivergent people actually deserve!

What happens when you're a occupational therapist in special education surrounded by neurodivergence every day...and then realize you're looking in a mirror? For Maggie Latona, it took a phone call with a parent about a student's autism diagnosis to finally see herself clearly. The stories the mom shared? Maggie did those things too.

We talk about:

• Working in special education for years without recognizing yourself
• The phone call that changed everything: "She doesn't understand emotions" vs. "What if she's noticing everything?"
• When your therapist suggested autism a year earlier - and you weren't ready
• Being "the responsible one, the smart one" and how that identity became a mask
• Diagnosed at 40: "No one would look back and think I was struggling"
• The imposter syndrome of high masking autism: family, job, friends..."Do I really get to claim this?"
• Confronting colleagues who say "No, you're not autistic" when you're high-masking at work
• Advocating for students differently now: "Let me give you an inside track of what they're dealing with"
• Reframing goals: "We're not here to change someone's brain"
• Why eye contact doesn't matter and perseveration isn't OCD
• Stimming all day long: finger piano, counting on toes, family "playing instruments"
• Eating lunch alone in your office with your sister with no small talk
• Spring break shutdown: when three days with a baby + friend sleepover = crash
• "Death by a thousand cuts" - learning what too much looks like
• Resin art as regulation: process, creation, and basing worth on accomplishment
• Creating safe spaces at home: soft corner, bath, art studio
• People-pleasing vs. avoiding situations that don't feel good
• The goal: becoming the person who educates educators on what autism looks like in girls

Guest: Maggie Latona is a special education occupational therapist, late-diagnosed autistic adult at 40, resin artist, and advocate for neuroaffirming approaches in schools. She's the person who will pull you aside after an IEP meeting to say, "I don't think that diagnosis is right. Let me tell you why."

Mentioned in this episode:

• Hypervigilance misunderstood as "not understanding emotions"
• OCD diagnosis vs. autistic perseveration
• The "responsible one" identity as masking
• Stimming: finger piano, toe counting, audio tracks
• Resin art and jewelry making as special interest
• Spring break shutdown and recovery
• Neuro-affirming IEP goals
• Super recognizer traits

Resources:

• Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous
• Unmasking Retreats: koryandreas.com
• YouTube: @ThatsMePod

What happens when you spend your whole life collecting diagnoses like Girl Scout badges: chronic stomach aches at nine, sensory issues with socks, toe walking, IBS, anxiety, depression...and nothing ever quite adds up? For Brittany Siegel, it took having neurodivergent children, hitting a wall in her early thirties, and the algorithm delivering the right videos at the right time.

We talk about:

•Growing up with unexplained medical issues that never quite made sense

•The physical toll of undiagnosed autism: hypermobility, mast cell activation, POTS, binocular vision dysfunction

•Why middle school was a crash course in becoming a "little fifth grade scientist"

•Systematically learning how to fit in: basketball, shark watches, Gap jeans - check, check, check

•The fear of trying new things when you're terrified of failing in public

•How having children (especially the second one) destroyed all the coping mechanisms

•Hormone changes as autism amplifiers: puberty, postpartum, perimenopause

•The catastrophizing brain that predicts every possible disaster - and why it's actually protective

•Calling hospitals to check if your husband is dead (again)

•The mental file folder labeled "contagion" that won't close anymore

•Why "negative thinking" is actually data collection from a lifetime of harsh lessons

•Using pattern recognition as a superpower in your career

•Rediscovering the Libby app and psychological thrillers as autistic joy

Guest: Brittany Siegel is a late-diagnosed autistic adult, mother of neurodivergent children, and someone whose brain runs algorithms at all times to predict what could go wrong... and she has learned to use it to her advantage.

Mentioned in this episode:

Mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS)

POTS (Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome) and dysautonomia

Hypermobility and Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS)

Binocular vision dysfunction and prism glasses

The Libby app for library e-books

Predictive processing and the neurodivergent brain

Nedra Glover Tawwab's books on boundaries

Resources:

Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous

Unmasking Retreats: koryandreas.com

YouTube: @ThatsMePod

What happens when people-pleasing isn't just a personality trait, it's survival? When over-functioning isn't perfectionism, it's threat management? For Stephanie, it meant cycles of burnout that persisted until her body finally spoke up: a spontaneous coronary artery dissection. A heart attack at 40.

We talk about:
•Growing up with a volatile father and learning that people-pleasing keeps you safe
•Middle school bullying as a curvy Latina girl in a stick-thin white community
•How relational trauma and insecurity shaped every sexual relationship for decades
•Writing three-hour emails because little-girl-you is terrified of being misinterpreted
•The brilliant shenanigans: faking gallbladder attacks, forging school letters, stealing a whole week just to sit in closets and poke things with sticks
•Knowing you needed to daydream and recharge, but having no language or analytics for why
•Finding a work persona that finally worked: the last-name-only database engineer who could produce anything
•Thirteen years of productivity until "parts started falling off the car"
•The heart attack that happened while working through chest pain - and what SCAD (spontaneous coronary artery dissection) reveals about connective tissue and autistic bodies
•Cycles of burnout that spiral tighter: when recovery takes longer than the fall
Sexual burnout and the body's full-stop refusal to participate
•Music as both salvation and shame
•Writing 200+ pages of memoir and turning pain into animated storytelling
•Moon Unmasked: creating an autistic memoir through animation to protect identity while sharing truth

Guest: Stephanie is a late-diagnosed autistic adult, database engineer, and creator of Moon Unmasked, an animated memoir series exploring the mass misinterpretations and survival strategies that shaped her life. She's a Latina woman from LA, a survivor of burnout and a literal heart attack, and someone who is looking to share her story in a creative new way.

Find Stephanie:
YouTube: @MoonUnmasked
Instagram: @Moon_Unmasked

Mentioned in this episode:
•SCAD (Spontaneous Coronary Artery Dissection)
•Connective tissue disorders and autistic bodies
•The conical pendulum metaphor for burnout cycles
•Lola Blankets (the best weighted blankets)

Resources:
•Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous
•Unmasking Retreats: koryandreas.com
YouTube: @ThatsMePod

What does it mean to live "in the well"? Gazit Chaya Nkosi, a speech language pathologist and Safe and Sound Protocol practitioner, shares their journey from decades of misdiagnosis to finally understanding themselves as autistic, and what happened when they stopped trying to climb out of the cave.

We talk about:

•Growing up in an evangelical Christian community and the intersection of queerness and neurodivergence

•Decades of psychiatric hospitalizations and every diagnosis except the right one

•How hormonal transitions (puberty, postpartum, perimenopause) intensify autistic experiences

•The suicide attempt that became a dividing line, and permission to stop performing

•A near-death experience that changed everything

•Polyvagal theory and the Safe and Sound Protocol: retraining the nervous system to recognize speech as safety

•Vagus Nerve Stimulators

•The concept of "the well"...accessing consciousness below surface level

•Photographic memory and downloading information like ChatGPT

•Direct knowing: understanding language beneath language

•The grief that comes with being autistic in a culture that wasn't built for you

•Queen Victoria, chickpea flour, and current autistic joys

⚠️ CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains discussions of suicide, self-harm, psychiatric hospitalization, medical trauma, family trauma, and religious trauma.

Skip to these timestamps to avoid specific topics:

[05:16 - 06:03] - Psychiatric misdiagnosis

[24:15-26:58] - Religious trauma and family rejection

[28:07-29:25] - Suicide attempt and hospitalization

Crisis Resources:

988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988, or chat at 988lifeline.org

Trans Lifeline: (877) 565-8860

The Trevor Project (LGBTQ+ youth): (866) 488-7386

Find Gazit Chaya:

Site: therootedcoop.com

YouTube: Gazit's channel

Courses: Nervous system regulation Safe and Sound Protocol

Mentioned in this episode:

Polyvagal Theory by Dr. Stephen Porges

Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP)

Pythiism by Rachel Lee Harris

Proof of Heaven by Dr. Eben Alexander

The Telepathy Tapes podcast

Lindsey Mackereth on Substack

Resources:

Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous

Unmasking Retreats: koryandreas.com

YouTube: @ThatsMePod

Austen Marie spent years as a TK teacher trying to create trauma-informed, neuro-inclusive classrooms - until autistic burnout forced her body to stop. In this conversation, we talk about what it's like to grow up undiagnosed as a first-generation American, how masking as a woman in special education nearly destroyed her, and what it looks like to choose a slower, simpler life in order to heal.

We cover:

    •    The cost of being late-diagnosed and high-masking

    •    How neurodivergent traits were used against her in a narcissistic relationship

    •    What it means to parent neurodivergent kids while healing your own nervous system

    •    Why creating regulation-first environments for children is revolutionary

    •    The moment TikTok helped her finally recognize herself

    •    Choosing a "nervous system life" over financial security

    •    Finding joy in using your voice to change how the world sees autistic kids

Guest: Austen Marie is a former TK teacher, mother of neurodivergent children, and host of The NeuroSpicy Mom Pod, a podcast for late-diagnosed adults navigating parenthood and reparenting themselves.

Find Austen Marie:

    •    Podcast: The NeuroSpicy Mom Pod (Patreon & YouTube)

    •    Instagram: @_neurospicymama

    •    YouTube: @neurospicymompod

Mentioned in this episode:

    •    NeuroSpicy Tea Time (Patreon community conversations)

    •    Unmasking Retreats with Kory Andreas

Resources:

    •    Learn more about high-masking, late-diagnosed autism: Instagram @neurokoryous

    •    Unmasking Retreats: koryandreas.com

    •    YouTube: @ThatsMePod