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The Ali and Macara Show episodes

March 07“The History of Chocolate”, Saturday, Mar 7, 2026
The History of Chocolate Book Discussion
The hosts discussed their learnings from The History of Chocolate from Audible Great Courses.
Details
Ali: Was surprised to learn chocolate originated outside Europe, not in France or England as initially thought
Ali: Didn’t realize chocolate was first consumed as a beverage for centuries before being molded into solid form
Macara: Found it fascinating that the process involved fermenting beans, roasting them, and multiple preparation steps
Macara: Was surprised chocolate had been associated with witchcraft, used in rituals, and served as currency
Ali: Found the dark chocolate discussion interesting
Macara: Noted the historical association of chocolate beverages with nourishment depending on added ingredients
Ali: Disagreed that dark chocolate is healthier since sugar is still a main ingredient
Macara: Explained that higher-end chocolates contain less sugar than big brand chocolates
Conclusion
Both hosts gained significant new knowledge about chocolate’s origins, cultural significance, and evolution
The Great Courses format allows focused learning on specific topics without exam pressure
Personal Chocolate Preferences
The hosts shared their favorite ways to consume chocolate.
Details
Ali: No longer enjoys hot chocolate much, prefers chocolate bars but doesn’t eat them often
Ali: Particularly likes Halloween-size bars because they’re smaller and don’t require saving half for later
Ali: Identified Kit Kat as a favorite, mentioned variations like Orange Kit Kat and Peanut Butter Kit Kat from the past
Macara: Noted modern variations include strawberry and white chocolate Kit Kats
Ali: Strongly dislikes dipping cookies or snacks in coffee or tea because crumbs end up in the beverage
Macara: Agreed, doesn’t dip anything in tea either
Ali: Described their routine of having a snack first, then making coffee afterward
Conclusion
Both hosts prefer consuming snacks and beverages separately rather than dipping
Chocolate remains a commodity throughout history, with companies constantly innovating new variations
Benefits of Self-Directed Learning
Discussion about the advantages of learning through Great Courses versus traditional education.
Details
Ali: Appreciates that Great Courses material allows exploring library content without exam pressure
Macara: Noted these courses let you focus on specific topics that formal education doesn’t allow
Ali: Emphasized you can learn and capture knowledge in your own way without worrying about passing exams
Macara: Pointed out that exams don’t necessarily reflect knowledge for people who don’t test well
Ali: Stressed that exam performance doesn’t correlate with intelligence or brilliance
Macara: Agreed the issue is whether you’re smart in the way the system wants you to be smart
Conclusion
Self-directed learning through resources like Great Courses provides more flexibility and reduces pressure compared to traditional education
Testing methods often fail to accurately measure knowledge and ability
Educational Background and Career Path
Ali reflected on his educational history and finding the right application for his talents.
Details
Ali: Last attended school full-time from September 2011 to June 2012 for a contact center program, nearly 14 years ago
Ali: Briefly returned to school in January 2014 but the courses didn’t work out
Ali: Recalled an instructor named Kathleen Morin saying he had a lot of talent but it was about where to give that talent
Macara: Emphasized that people can be talented but need opportunities that bring out their skills
Ali: Acknowledged it took time to find how to apply his talents, not something that happened overnight
Macara: Affirmed that anything worth doing takes time
Ali: Stressed that every situation and lifestyle is different, no two situations are the same
Conclusion
Ali found the right application for his talents through podcasting and the Moosa Slobodian Network
Finding the right path takes time and differs for each individual
Planned iPhone Voiceover Training
Ali outlined plans for lunch and learn sessions with KWA Kitchener Waterloo Accessibility.
Details
Ali: Wants to teach how to use iPhone with voiceover in ways that help people get out of difficult situations
Ali: Observed that many users only know how to use Siri voice commands and struggle when it doesn’t work
Ali: Provided examples of jams including Siri calling the wrong person or failing to check messages
Macara: Asked for clarification on whether this includes text messages, voicemails, or both
Ali: Confirmed both types of messages
Ali: Proposed teaching basic gestures in the first lesson including one-finger short flick left for previous item, one-finger short flick right for next item, and one-finger double tap to activate
Macara: Suggested incorporating voiceover practice in settings to help with gestures
Ali: Agreed but emphasized starting with just three basic gestures in the first lesson, not covering home screen navigation initially
Macara: Supported this approach, noting that the scroll up from bottom gesture is too complicated for beginners
Conclusion
First lesson will focus on three fundamental voiceover gestures: navigate previous, navigate next, and activate
More complex gestures like returning to home screen will be introduced in later sessions
Training will emphasize manual navigation skills to supplement voice command usage
Upcoming Show Schedule
The hosts reviewed their upcoming programming schedule.
Details
Ali: Confirmed no THE Ali Moosa Show this week but content is always in development
Macara: Noted shows are scheduled further down the line
Ali: NHL playoff preview show with Ryan Payton scheduled for April 17th
Ali: Becky Coles returns on Monday, April 20th
Macara: Reminded audience about yesterday’s show with Dave Trafford
Macara: Techstravaganza workshop on Wednesday, March 11th from 1 to 3 PMcovering Apple Music Radio feature on iPhone and iPad
Ali: Techstravaganza 2.0 on Thursday, March 12th from 7 to 9 PM Eastern, retaking JAWS Basics due to previous technical issues
Ali: Gave shoutout to faithful Techstravaganza crew and Ashlyn for attending
Macara: Books Panel scheduled for March 27th, 2026 at 7:30 PM Eastern discussing Theo of Golden by Allen Levi
Macara: Next The Ali and Macara Show on Sunday, March 15th, 2026 at 3:30 PM Easternwill discuss what they’ve been reading
Conclusion
Multiple shows and workshops scheduled across the Moosa Slobodian Network
Next week’s show will feature a currently reading discussion rather than a specific book selection
Daylight Saving Time Reminder
The hosts reminded the audience about the upcoming time change.
Details
Ali: Noted that for most of Canada, standard time ends at 2 AM on Sunday, March 7, 2026
Ali: Advised those using manual clocks to set them ahead one hour before bed
Ali: Mentioned that phone users don’t need to worry as devices update automatically
Macara: Reminded Saskatchewan residents they don’t observe daylight saving time
Ali: Expressed hope that Ontario and Manitoba will eventually stop observing daylight saving time like Saskatchewan
Macara: Expressed skepticism, noting they say this every year but it never happens
Ali: Maintained optimism it will happen one day
Conclusion
Clocks spring forward one hour at 2 AM on March 7, 2026 for most of Canada
Both hosts wish daylight saving time would be eliminated
International Women’s Day Acknowledgment
The hosts recognized the upcoming International Women’s Day.
Details
Macara: Noted that since the show airs on March 7th, they wanted to say an early happy International Women’s Day for March 8th
Conclusion
The show acknowledged International Women’s Day falling the day after the broadcast
In Case You Missed It, Check Out Yesterday’s The Ali Moosa Show with Dave Trafford At The Following Link
https://thealimoosashow.ca/2026/03/06/what-is-going-on-with-the-iran-situation-with-dave-trafford-friday-march-6-2026/
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51 min
March 01“107 Days”, by Kamala Harris, Sunday, Mar 1, 2026
Discussed topics
Kamala Harris’s book “107 Days”
The hosts shared their impressions of the book they’re currently reading.
Details
Ali: Found it very insightful as it outlines current US political situations and provided warnings about what would happen
Ali: Mentioned enjoying these types of books and finding them fascinating
Ali: Rated the book 5 out of 5 on the Goodreads scale
Macara: Agreed with the rating, saying it would be between 4 and 5 for her
Macara: Noted how detailed the book is, with events documented down to the minute
Macara: Highlighted how the book reveals Harris was overlooked as Vice President and how her success was sometimes seen as dimming Biden
Conclusion
Both hosts highly recommend the book
They appreciated Harris’s honesty about Biden’s condition and the internal party dynamics
Current US political situation
The hosts discussed concerns about the current US administration and potential future scenarios.
Details
Ali: Expressed concern about the current US president’s mental state
Ali: Suggested the president is using international conflicts as a distraction from domestic issues
Ali: Mentioned a conversation with Becky Coles about how the administration might try to extend the current term
Macara: Noted it would take decades to rebuild America after current challenges
Ali: Expressed concern about potential impacts on international trade relationships
Conclusion
Both hosts expressed worry about the current political climate
They agreed that recovery from current political situations would take many years
Sports updates
Brief discussion about recent sports results.
Details
Ali: Mentioned the Toronto Maple Leafs lost 5-2 to the Ottawa Senators
Ali: Noted that the Winnipeg Jets aren’t doing well this season either
Ali: Commented that the Leafs were expected to do better and that this isn’t a good way to send Joe Bowen into retirement
Ali: Suggested that the Leafs never filled the hole left by Mitch Marner’s departure
Conclusion
Both hosts agreed that both teams are underperforming
Ali predicted potential coaching and management changes for the Leafs
Next week’s book selection
The hosts decided on their next book to discuss.
Details
Ali: Proposed reading “The History of Chocolate” from The Great Courses
Ali: Mentioned it’s likely free as part of their Audible membership
Macara: Enthusiastically agreed with the selection
Conclusion
“The History of Chocolate” will be discussed on next week’s show
Upcoming shows and events
The hosts shared information about upcoming programming.
Details
Ali: Announced Ryan Payton will return for the NHL Trade Deadline Preview show
Ali: The show will focus on the Leafs and potential trades
Macara: Mentioned a Google Tasks workshop on March 4th from 1-3 PM Eastern
Macara: Announced next week’s show will be on Saturday, March 7th at 3:30 PM Eastern
Ali: Mentioned the upcoming Books Panel
Macara: The Books Panel will be on March 27th at 7:30 PM Eastern discussing “Theo of Golden” by Allen Levi
Conclusion
Multiple shows are scheduled across the network in the coming weeks
The hosts encouraged live viewership, mentioning there will be exclusive content for live viewers
Listener engagement
The hosts discussed ways for listeners to engage with the show.
Details
Ali: Mentioned the benefits of YouTube Premium for listening with a locked device
Macara: Encouraged listeners to like, comment, and share the videos
Ali: Mentioned the WhatsApp group for listeners
Ali: Announced plans to add a form on the website to make joining the WhatsApp group easier
Conclusion
Multiple ways for listeners to engage with the show were highlighted
The hosts are working to make engagement easier
Listen to Ali’s Chat with Becky Coles, (Referenced in the Episode), at the Following Link
https://thealimoosashow.ca/2025/12/15/around-the-news-with-becky-coles-monday-december-15-2025/
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50 min
February 22“My Name Is Barbra”, Sunday, Feb 22, 2026
Barbara Streisand’s autobiography “My Name is Barbara”
Ali and Macara discussed their impressions of Barbara Streisand’s autobiography, focusing on her personality, writing style, and life experiences.
Details
Ali: Was surprised by Streisand’s stubborn and negative traits, which contrasted with his perception of her as an icon
Ali: Noted her tendency to not return to places where she felt disappointed
Ali: Mentioned she still keeps many old possessions including her sewing board
Macara: Found the writing style conversational rather than formal, making it feel like Streisand was telling her story directly
Macara: Observed how the early loss of her father profoundly affected her relationships and approach to life
Macara: Was impressed by Streisand’s detailed memory of specific events and items from her past
Ali: Rated the book 5/5, appreciating how she tells her story
Macara: Rated it 3/5, finding it “just sort of there” but intriguing
Conclusion
Both hosts plan to continue with the book
They agreed it’s good for nighttime listening
They found it interesting that Streisand initially focused on acting rather than singing
They appreciated her self-awareness and humor in the autobiography
Reading interests and future books
Ali shared other books he’s currently reading and interested in exploring.
Details
Ali: Mentioned he’s reading “A Promised Land” and enjoys books by former NHL players, coaches, MLB players, and sports writers
Ali: Expressed interest in “Tales from the Montreal Canadiens Locker Room”
Ali: Wants to read more from “The Great Courses” series, including titles on the history of chocolate, India, and Japan
Conclusion
Ali has diverse reading interests with a focus on sports-related content
Both hosts are looking forward to more content in the future
Upcoming network events
Ali and Macara announced several upcoming events on their network.
Details
Ali: Announced a The Ali Moosa Show on Monday, February 23th featuring Ian Hunter who covers the Blue Jays
Macara: Mentioned a Techstravaganza workshop on Wednesday, February 25thabout attaching files in email clients
Macara: Announced a Books Panel on Friday, February 27th discussing Brent Spiner’s “Fan Fiction”
Ali: Noted there will be new voices joining the Books Panel
Macara: Confirmed their next show will be on March 1st, 2026, now discussing “107 Days” by Kamala Harris, (Decided off air).
Conclusion
The network has a full schedule of events for the upcoming week
Their next show will focus on Kamala Harris’s book.
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46 min
February 15“Shantaram”, Sunday, Feb 15, 2026
Climate change discussion
The hosts discussed climate change, its terminology, and how environmental issues are often commercialized.
Details
Macara: Initially referred to the issue as “global warming”
Ali: Noted that the preferred term is now “climate change” rather than “global warming”
Ali: Expressed concern about the commercialization of environmental issues, including Earth Day
Macara: Agreed that environmental issues have become “buzzwords” that are used for marketing
Ali: Suggested that climate patterns are natural but are being used as “sales pitches”
Macara: Noted that social media contributes to the commercialization through catchy phrases and echo chambers
Conclusion
Both agreed that while climate change is real, the way it’s presented and marketed often doesn’t reflect the actual problem
They concluded that environmental issues have become heavily commercialized
Recycling practices
Ali shared information about recycling practices based on an article he had read.
Details
Ali: Referenced an article from The Walrus that claimed recycling collections often end up in landfills
Ali: Explained that municipalities invest resources in recycling programs but may not actually recycle the materials
Macara: Found the perspective interesting
Conclusion
Ali suggested that recycling programs might be misleading the public about where collected materials actually end up
Book review: “Shantaram” by Gregory David Roberts
Ali and Macara discussed their thoughts on “Shantaram,” which was recommended by Steve Barclay (who had it recommended to him by Stephen Ricci).
Details
Ali: Appreciated the cultural insights about India, including discussions of bribery and food
Macara: Found the writing style too “flowery” and overly philosophical
Macara: Noted that the author often tells readers what to think rather than letting them form their own opinions
Ali: Mentioned the book is 42 hours long (audiobook)
Ali: Rated the book 2 out of 5
Macara: Questioned whether they would have picked up this book if it hadn’t been recommended
Conclusion
Both agreed they wouldn’t have chosen this book on their own
They decided to continue reading it but not as a priority
They gave it a low rating due to writing style issues despite appreciating the cultural insights
Book selection for upcoming shows
The hosts discussed what books to cover in their upcoming shows.
Details
Macara: Suggested Barbra Streisand’s memoir “My Name is Barbara” for next week
Ali: Agreed and proposed Sean Avery’s “Offside” for the following week
Ali: Mentioned interest in “Great Courses” content including “A History of India” and business leadership courses
Conclusion
They decided on “My Name is Barbara” for February 22nd
They scheduled “Offside” by Sean Avery for the week after
Upcoming events and schedule
Ali and Macara shared information about upcoming events and their schedule.
Details
Macara: Announced a Books Panel on February 27th discussing “Fan Fiction” by Brent Spiner
Macara: Mentioned a Techstravaganza workshop on February 18th
Ali: Noted that Becky Coles would be returning on April 20th
Ali: Mentioned they were working on rescheduling Tracy Johnson
Conclusion
They confirmed their next show would be on February 22nd at 3:30pm Eastern
They encouraged listeners to subscribe to their newsletter for updates
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48 min
February 07“Born a Crime”, Saturday, Feb 7, 2026
Missing podcast episode troubleshooting
Macara brought up an issue with a recent podcast episode not appearing in podcast feeds despite being posted online.
Details
Macara: Noticed that Monday’s show with Jim Tatti wasn’t appearing in podcast feeds like Apple Podcasts and Spotify
Ali: Initially tried fixing category tags, which didn’t resolve the issue
Macara: Eventually discovered the audio file was completely missing from the post
Ali: Directed Macara to the folder with the audio file
Macara: Added the audio file to the post, which resolved the issue
Conclusion
The podcast episode is now available in all podcast feeds
They’ll include a link to the episode in the show notes
Trevor Noah’s “Born a Crime”
The hosts discussed Trevor Noah’s memoir about growing up in South Africa during apartheid.
Details
Ali: Found the book heavy but insightful about life in South Africa, particularly regarding violence and women’s rights
Macara: Appreciated how Noah provided context about apartheid and injected moments of humor despite the heavy subject matter
Ali: Rated the book a 7 out of 10
Macara: Noted how Noah’s mother was portrayed as a strong woman despite the challenges she faced
Conclusion
The book provides valuable insights into South African history and apartheid
Despite being heavy, the book includes moments of humor and compelling storytelling
Recognition of historical events
The hosts had an extended discussion about how recognition of historical events has changed over time.
Details
Ali: Noted that February is Black History Month and discussed how the meaning of commemorative events has diminished over time
Macara: Discussed how distance from historical events affects recognition
Ali: Observed that education alone doesn’t necessarily lead to recognition
Macara: Mentioned how power structures determine what history is considered important
Conclusion
Recognition of historical events tends to diminish as time passes
They plan to dedicate a future show to discussing education, history, and what’s taught in schools
Upcoming shows and events
The hosts discussed upcoming programming on their network.
Details
Ali: Mentioned they want to do an NHL trade deadline show and another “leaf show”
Macara: Announced a Books Panel on February 27th discussing Brent Spiner’s Fan Fiction
Macara: Mentioned a Techstravaganza workshop on February 11th
Ali: Noted that Becky Coles returns to the studio on April 20th
Conclusion
Next week’s show will be on Sunday, February 15th at 3:30pm Eastern
They will discuss “Shantarum” by Gregory David Roberts
Listen to Ali’s Chat with Jim Tatti from Feb 2, at the Following Link
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51 min
February 01“This Team Is Ruining My Life (But I Love Them)”, Sunday, Feb 1, 2026
Discussed topics
Audio setup and technical preparation
Ali and Macara spent the first portion of the show testing their audio setup to ensure everything was working properly for the live broadcast.
Details
Ali: Explained they were using Audio Hijack, Loopback, and Fargo for their audio setup
Macara: Noted how quickly they were able to get set up compared to using Meet
Ali: Demonstrated how the recording captures all three audio sources on separate tracks
Ali: Explained how to fix timing issues in Reaper if needed
Conclusion
The setup was confirmed to be working properly
They agreed Zoom was easier to use than their previous solution
The technical setup allows for better control over audio sources
Steve Dangle Glynn’s book discussion
The hosts discussed “This Team is Ruining My Life, But I Love Them” by Steve Dangle Glynn, sharing their impressions and thoughts on the author’s career journey.
Details
Ali: Shared that he’s a fan of Dangle and his podcast
Ali: Found it interesting how Dangle initially hid his YouTube channel during job interviews
Ali: Noted Dangle’s work experience at the zoo and with RBC Junior Hockey Magazine
Macara: Expressed surprise at how engaging the book was despite not being a sports fan
Macara: Appreciated how Dangle made sports content accessible to a wider audience
Ali: Mentioned Dangle has a newer book called “Hockey, Rants, and Rave”
Conclusion
Ali rated the book 10/10
Macara rated the book 8/10
Both agreed Dangle is an effective storyteller who makes sports content accessible
Evolution of YouTube and media industry
The hosts discussed how YouTube has evolved since its inception and how it has changed the media landscape.
Details
Ali: Noted YouTube was founded in 2005 and later purchased by Google
Ali: Explained that in its early days, people didn’t expect YouTube to take off the way it did
Ali: Discussed how the broadcasting industry continues to shrink
Macara: Acknowledged the cuts happening in the industry
Conclusion
The media landscape has changed significantly since YouTube’s inception
Starting your own content is now often the best way to break into media
Traditional broadcasting opportunities are becoming more limited
Personal connection to sports media
Ali shared his personal journey of becoming a sports fan despite never having seen the games.
Details
Ali: Explained he became a sports fan by listening to games on the radio as a child
Ali: Shared that blind people are generally not fans of mainstream sports
Ali: Mentioned his childhood dream of becoming a talk show host like Wayne McLean and Jeff Allen
Macara: Acknowledged that while she’s not a sports person, she respects people’s passion for it
Conclusion
Ali developed his love for sports through audio broadcasts
Their current show represents a fulfillment of Ali’s childhood dream in a different format
They’re on this journey together, which makes it meaningful
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52 min
January 25George Orwell’s 1984, and Technology Tips, Sunday, Jan 25, 2026
Show production updates
The hosts discussed recent improvements to their show format and production.
Details
Ali: Mentioned that commercials have returned to the show
Macara: Noted the new intro and outro and thanked Becky Coles for providing it
Ali: Explained that the setup is now more streamlined, making recording easier
Macara: Commented that starting recording is now “just a keystroke” rather than “3 million little dialogues”
Conclusion
The show now has a professional intro and commercial breaks
The technical setup has been improved for easier production
Weather and reading
The hosts discussed the current weather conditions and how it affects their activities.
Details
Ali: Mentioned it’s been a quiet week with unfavorable weather
Macara: Noted that weather hasn’t been favorable across Canada
Ali: Shared that the poor weather has given him time to read and follow sports
Macara: Referenced her newsletter comment about curling up with a good book during bad weather
Conclusion
Bad weather provides good opportunities for indoor activities like reading
Environment Canada is predicting a very hot summer this year
Email communication
Ali initiated a discussion about the importance of checking emails regularly.
Details
Ali: Expressed concern about people who don’t check their emails often
Ali: Stated he wouldn’t be able to do his job if he only checked emails every few days
Macara: Acknowledged some people believe important matters will reach them through other channels
Ali: Argued that’s not a valid excuse for not checking emails
Conclusion
Regular email checking is important for staying informed
Important information can be missed when not checking communications regularly
Word choice and communication
The hosts had a brief discussion about word choice in communication.
Details
Ali: Explained his dislike for the word “why” as it can sound condescending
Macara: Asked why he doesn’t like the word, then acknowledged it can sound accusatory
Ali: Suggested alternative phrasings like “tell me the reason” or “explain more about your idea”
Macara: Agreed that being on the receiving end of “why” questions isn’t enjoyable
Conclusion
Word choice affects how messages are received
There are more polite alternatives to asking “why”
George Orwell’s “1984” dramatization
The hosts discussed their experience with the dramatized version of “1984” by George Orwell.
Details
Ali: Stated he got through about 46% of it but didn’t fully understand it
Ali: Praised the production quality and sound effects
Macara: Noted that the dramatization sometimes lacks context that would be in the book
Macara: Highlighted themes like the Ministry of Truth rewriting history and “newspeak”
Ali: Drew parallels between the book and current world events
Macara: Mentioned the book was published in 1949 but remains relevant
Conclusion
The dramatization was well-produced but challenging to follow in parts
The themes in “1984” have parallels to current political situations
It’s important to confront uncomfortable truths rather than remain naive
Current political climate
The hosts briefly discussed current political concerns.
Details
Ali: Expressed concern about people being naive about political power dynamics
Ali: Mentioned legislation that allows elections to be canceled during crises
Macara: Compared this to Canada’s Emergency Measures Act
Ali: Emphasized the importance of paying attention to what’s happening politically
Conclusion
Being informed about political developments is crucial
Naivety about political processes can have serious consequences
Information sources
Ali provided recommendations for reliable information sources.
Details
Ali: Recommended Bill Kelly’s podcast for factual information
Ali: Mentioned Dave Trafford’s “Now and Next”
Ali: Suggested CBC’s “Front Burner” podcast
Ali: Referenced Mike Farwell, who has a local talk show
Conclusion
Multiple reliable sources are available for staying informed
Links to these sources will be included in the show notes
Live listening vs. podcast
The hosts discussed their preference for live listeners over podcast-only audience.
Details
Ali: Mentioned they’re “pushing the live more”
Macara: Noted that live listeners get content that podcast listeners miss
Ali: Suggested making it “appointment listening”
Macara: Acknowledged that listening later is still welcome if that’s what time allows
Conclusion
Live listening provides a unique experience with additional content
The hosts will continue to encourage live listening while supporting podcast listeners
Here are the Links to All of the Youtube Channels/Podcasts We Mentioned
The Bill Kelly Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/@TheBillKellyPodcast
Dave Trafford’s Now and Next
https://www.youtube.com/@davetraffordpodcasts
The Mike Farwell Show (on the Frequency Podcast Channel)
https://www.youtube.com/@FrequencyPods
Steve Dangle
https://www.youtube.com/@SteveDangle
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57 min
January 24What Direction is Voiceover on the Mac Heading In, with Jack Falejczyk, Friday, Jan 23, 2026
Discussed topics
Screen reader comparison: VoiceOver vs Windows alternatives
Discussion comparing the functionality and user experience of screen readers across platforms.
Details
Jack: Explained that Windows screen readers can piggyback on native Windows commands while VoiceOver implements its own keyboard processing
Jack: Described Mac’s “from-to” paradigm versus Windows’ “from-through” approach, causing inconsistent navigation
Ali: Noted JAWS allows turning off virtual PC cursor to stay in forms mode for editing
Jack: Mentioned VoiceOver’s “not responding” issues even on high-end hardware
Macara: Observed that scrolling quickly through content is possible on iPhone but not on Mac
Conclusion
Windows screen readers (JAWS, NVDA) provide better text editing experiences than Mac VoiceOver
Competition between screen readers on Windows helps maintain higher accessibility standards
VoiceOver on iPhone performs better than on Mac, suggesting Apple prioritizes mobile accessibility
Apple’s approach to accessibility
Discussion about Apple’s accessibility focus and ecosystem limitations.
Details
Jack: Suggested Apple focuses accessibility efforts on iPhone users rather than Mac
Jack: Noted Apple’s lack of community engagement compared to Microsoft, Google, and Mozilla
Ali: Mentioned iCloud web interface has poor screen reader compatibility compared to Google products
Jack: Discussed Apple’s “almost” approach to cross-platform compatibility (like FaceTime on web)
Ali: Criticized Apple Mail app compared to Gmail interface
Conclusion
Apple’s focus on closed ecosystem creates accessibility challenges
Apple makes simple tasks unnecessarily complex in many situations
Google’s products often provide better accessibility across platforms
Desktop vs mobile computing for accessibility
Exploration of the continued relevance of desktop computing despite mobile advancements.
Details
Ali: Stated preference for desktop interfaces for applications like Google Calendar and Zoom
Jack: Noted creative applications like DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations) remain desktop-focused
Jack: Mentioned keyboard shortcuts are often missing from mobile applications
Ali: Discussed the limitations of mobile-only workflows
Conclusion
Desktop interfaces remain necessary for many tasks despite mobile advancements
Creative applications particularly require desktop environments
Keyboard shortcuts and navigation remain superior on desktop platforms
Responsible AI use
Discussion about using AI responsibly and its limitations.
Details
Macara: Asked what responsible AI use means to Jack
Jack: Suggested using AI to understand its limitations and identify bad practices
Jack: Criticized the “everything model” approach to AI
Jack: Compared specialized tools to AI trying to do everything
Ali: Noted AI is often used as an ad generator
Conclusion
Responsible AI use involves understanding limitations rather than avoiding it entirely
Specialized AI models for specific tasks are preferable to “everything models”
AI cannot mimic the full human experience and should not be assumed to do so
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1 hr
January 18 “The Breadwinner”, and Other Books We’ve Been Reading, Sunday, Jan 18, 2026
00:21:22
Macara Slobodian: Good afternoon. today is Sunday, January 18, 2026. We are here,
Aliasgar Moosa: Sloian.
Macara Slobodian: not with any shortage of tech challenges, but we are here.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, I thought that was a Sienna word. Tech challenges.
Macara Slobodian: Well, I suppose I’ve stolen it. Or maybe I need to come up with one for myself. Sienna, if you’re listening,
Aliasgar Moosa: No,
Macara Slobodian: I am sorry for stealing your
Aliasgar Moosa: no, no.
Macara Slobodian: word.
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, no. I’m I’m just
Macara Slobodian: No, I know. I know.
Aliasgar Moosa: joking.
Macara Slobodian: You know, I had I had to joke around a little bit, though. It took a minute to kind of get things sorted here, and it You know,
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, I know.

00:22:07

Aliasgar Moosa: But Oh,
Macara Slobodian: we have to laugh about it,
Aliasgar Moosa: sure.
Macara Slobodian: don’t we?
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. So, what exactly happened? Do we want to fill uh how about you fill uh how how about how about you fill the um how about you fill us in on what happened?
Macara Slobodian: Well, the short answer is the beginning part is that I well the
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, no. We want the long answer, not the short answer.
Macara Slobodian: first part of it I’m not quite sure because I had joined and just just to clue you all in now. We are once again experimenting with meat. So I joined from the calendar and that all went fine.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh no.
Macara Slobodian: No uh no hiccups. got in. I could see that you were in the meeting as well, Ally. And I was going for the meeting tools to kind of pause the recording before we start and all the sorts of things we normally do before we get properly going and um whatever little Gemini notification it was giving me, it was not for one thing, it wasn’t letting me exit out of it.

00:23:09

Macara Slobodian: For another, I couldn’t hear anything. I couldn’t see any of the usual tools and things. So, of course, I’m messaging you, Ally. I’m I’m seeing, can you hear me? I know you’re here, too. And what what was going on on your end? Like, what what were you observing at this
Aliasgar Moosa: Um,
Macara Slobodian: point?
Aliasgar Moosa: basically as I came in, I was trying and and I I I said something, but it turns out you couldn’t hear me.
Macara Slobodian: No, I couldn’t.
Aliasgar Moosa: So then it then I don’t know whether you had left or what happened.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, cuz then at one point I went to the top and it was like, oh, return to home screen. And I thought, oh, return to the home screen within the call. No, no, no. That’s when it gives you the join and all such and I thought that’s when I realized I had inadvertently left. So I just closed it, went back to the link and then did that again. And of course that second time you could hear me and it looked mostly good.

00:24:14

Macara Slobodian: Apart from the fact that that time I believe I joined with the wrong account because then I couldn’t get the the meeting tools properly.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh man, I have to be honest here. Well, listen here. Wait a minute. I’m going to back this up a bit. I’m gonna We’re gonna backtrack a sec.
Macara Slobodian: Okay.
Aliasgar Moosa: We around here at the Mus Labodian Network are always honest about things.
Macara Slobodian: Yes. I’m a bit nervous in this moment about it, but yes,
Aliasgar Moosa: No, you don’t nervous.
Macara Slobodian: we are.
Aliasgar Moosa: You don’t need to be nervous.
Macara Slobodian: Okay.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, no. What? What are we nervous about? There’s nothing to be nervous about. What are we nervous about?
Macara Slobodian: Just just wondering what the backtracking is going to imply and is going to entail
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh,
Macara Slobodian: here.
Aliasgar Moosa: no. But there’s nothing nothing to be nothing to be nervous
Macara Slobodian: Okay,
Aliasgar Moosa: about.
Macara Slobodian: I’ll take your word.

00:25:08

Macara Slobodian: Please go ahead.
Aliasgar Moosa: No, we No, that that was the backtrack of we of we are always honest around
Macara Slobodian: That was the backtrack.
Aliasgar Moosa: here.
Macara Slobodian: Oh, okay. We’re clarifying. We’re clarifying. Got it.
Aliasgar Moosa: Okay.
Macara Slobodian: Got
Aliasgar Moosa: So,
Macara Slobodian: it.
Aliasgar Moosa: now see, uh to to to back up a little further though,
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: um we use the word experiment. We are experimenting once again, quote unquote. quote with meat.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, that was perhaps not the right
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, no, no, no. It was the right word.
Macara Slobodian: word.
Aliasgar Moosa: It was because here is a here is the is another piece to the honesty.
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: The experiment may have actually
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: just in terms of an idea. The experiment may be done playing around with
Macara Slobodian: What about playing around with?
Aliasgar Moosa: the experimentation of playing
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: around with meat. There is a very very there’s a 95% possibility or a chance here that the

00:27:07

Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: experimentation may just be maybe maybe done and put to bed.
Macara Slobodian: Oh, no. Really?
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes.
Macara Slobodian: Because of all these little things or or because of what exactly?
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, I I don’t know.
Macara Slobodian: What what is it that you don’t
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, I don’t know.
Macara Slobodian: know?
Aliasgar Moosa: Um see because see experiment see while experimentation has been good right are are we
Macara Slobodian: Right. Yeah, we’re
Aliasgar Moosa: here while experimentation
Macara Slobodian: here.
Aliasgar Moosa: is good and we’ve had our fun of experimentations together with
Macara Slobodian: Yes,
Aliasgar Moosa: it.
Macara Slobodian: we’ve certainly had our share of them.
Aliasgar Moosa: A fun experimentations and no
Macara Slobodian: Agreed. No,
Aliasgar Moosa: regrets.
Macara Slobodian: absolutely none.
Aliasgar Moosa: You know, we got to learn things together in the process.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: We got to learn things in the process.
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: But but but
Macara Slobodian: But
Aliasgar Moosa: we are going to come up with something solid here. And like we did for the past few months before we started experimenting again

00:29:12

Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: is before we started experimenting again is is stick with consistency and what works.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, even though because there is still the argument that meat is included within workspace and that’s a bit more value for money that way, right?
Aliasgar Moosa: There is but it’s about what the but there is but not at any expense though right not at any expense of solidity.
Macara Slobodian: True
Aliasgar Moosa: Not at the expense of solidity of solidness as they call
Macara Slobodian: enough.
Aliasgar Moosa: it. Not at not at the expense of solidness, right?
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. And I mean, I wonder if it’s just needing to have to use meat as that consistent thing and just to kind of really get used to it again.
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, I mean, I I think like see I I I don’t disagree with that there, but there are things that there are things I personally wouldn’t use meat for uh
Macara Slobodian: What would those be?
Aliasgar Moosa: tutorials. Um uh tutorials,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: I wouldn’t use it. Um, I I wouldn’t, you know, I I would only probably I would only really use it for quick like not quick, but say a meeting that didn’t um that just involved just like a planning meeting or something.

00:31:11

Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: I would probably just use it for something like that.
Macara Slobodian: Oh, you would use meat for that. Is that what you’re
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, I wouldn’t have to,
Macara Slobodian: saying?
Aliasgar Moosa: but I mean, if I had to use it, those would be situ that would be a situation I would
Macara Slobodian: So, that that one you would in the tutorials, not so much.
Aliasgar Moosa: tutorials. I wouldn’t even and maybe and I’ll even take it a step
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: further maybe even for a planning.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: Not maybe I don’t like the word maybe to be honest with you.
Macara Slobodian: No.
Aliasgar Moosa: No.
Macara Slobodian: Okay.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, we know what that
Macara Slobodian: Yep.
Aliasgar Moosa: means.
Macara Slobodian: Yep. We do.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, man.
Macara Slobodian: Add it to the
Aliasgar Moosa: That Yes.
Macara Slobodian: list.
Aliasgar Moosa: um that even for those types of planning meetings or whatever, even for that, we wouldn’t prefer to use it.
Macara Slobodian: Right.
Aliasgar Moosa: It’s sort of one of those catches here that yes, it’s there, but the use out of that piece is not going to be the use out of that piece is not going to be very much on what it what it could have implied to be if it was a if it or what it what it could be or what it could have been in whatever situation.

00:32:58

Macara Slobodian: Mhm. And I think it’s interesting because earlier in the week we had kind of been talking about this before we started experimenting again and before we decided to experiment again with it and play around that we had been more so I guess you had been given the advice and you had forwarded it to me. I won’t name names here because it wasn’t bad advice. It was good for the use case and it was,
Aliasgar Moosa: No.
Macara Slobodian: you know, we were told that meat had been found to be a very smooth experience. And I don’t doubt that. I don’t doubt that for this person who provided this advice that it is.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes, that’s exactly it. Yep.
Macara Slobodian: I’m I’m not discounting that by any means. This person is very knowledgeable clearly. But we wouldn’t have anticipated the way that it sort of started up here today because it just seems like with meat, yes, it works and yes, we get in and of course we’re here now, but there just seems to often be these little tiny things that pop up unbidden that make it not more challenging but a little more you kind

00:34:22

Aliasgar Moosa: I I don’t mind that
Macara Slobodian: of yeah challenging but or or just in the sense that you have to navigate
Aliasgar Moosa: word.
Macara Slobodian: around them a bit more like they’re just a bit more of these obstacles.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. I I I don’t like that aspect of it. I don’t like that aspect of it.
Macara Slobodian: No, I’m not terribly fond of it either.
Aliasgar Moosa: No. And honestly, for me, it doesn’t make I mean, for us, it doesn’t make a difference. Do you know why? Because we have Zoom already connected to Google Calendar. So, it makes the job that much easier and
Macara Slobodian: That’s true.
Aliasgar Moosa: better.
Macara Slobodian: So, even when you create an event on there, uh, when you schedule a meeting, it will let you automatically kind of put that in right after. And it’s not it’s really it’s not even any more steps than it is to
Aliasgar Moosa: No,
Macara Slobodian: create.
Aliasgar Moosa: no. And and actually how I do it because of course I use my desktop a lot more.

00:35:15

Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: Um I also have the Chrome extension and the uh and the and the Zoom for Google the uh sorry the Google calendar zoom extension in Chrome. And I also have the um I
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: also have the um I also have the um the workspace the Google the Zoom for Google workspace add-on connected to my Google calendar uh as well. So, what this essentially means is that I don’t even have to go in to to the Zoom calendar interface to create um uh a manual meeting.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: All I really have to I just create the new event as usual,
Macara Slobodian: Right.
Aliasgar Moosa: choose make it a Zoom meeting, and it would give me all the Zoom options I need.
Macara Slobodian: Ah, yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: And that’s a tutorial we’re going to do in a few
Macara Slobodian: Mhm. Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: weeks.
Macara Slobodian: And and really in either sense though, like even just for all of you out there in listener land, just for context, I personally tend to use my iPhone a bit more.

00:36:36

Macara Slobodian: And even for me, I I don’t doubt that those extensions make things quite a bit easier. It sounds like it makes things very efficient as does and I don’t even mind doing this just creating the Zoom meeting within the app very quickly and then you add your attendees you add in our case we often do alternative hosts for each other just in case of any drop offs etc. And um as soon as that’s all done, it gets you into the
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes, but there’s the extra.
Macara Slobodian: calendar.
Aliasgar Moosa: You see, but that now see on the desktop you don’t actually have to and that’s that’s an automatic that that’s that of of the calendar piece. Yeah,
Macara Slobodian: Right.
Aliasgar Moosa: that that’s an automatic piece because it uses cuz cuz doing it directly there. That is a feature we would that is something we’d like to show us though.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. Yeah. No, and I I would appreciate that very
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: much.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes. Um, no. No. I I do like here like the side is that that I do use my iPhone quite a bit, but most of the time I I find myself um always reverting to the desktop.

00:37:55

Macara Slobodian: Yeah, and I completely understand that. And my my saying that wasn’t in any way to comp compare them.
Aliasgar Moosa: No, no, no. I know. No, no, no. I know. No, no, no.
Macara Slobodian: It’s it’s just to say that neither is particularly difficult like
Aliasgar Moosa: I know that.
Macara Slobodian: in those
Aliasgar Moosa: No, no, you’re right. No, no,
Macara Slobodian: situations.
Aliasgar Moosa: no, no, no. But I I know, but I I was just sort of referring to it from a preference standpoint.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: And I don’t know why that is.
Macara Slobodian: And that’s
Aliasgar Moosa: I’ve tried to change that over the years. I’ve tried to change it.
Macara Slobodian: but you started out kind of with the computer more than anything, right? Before everything else.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: So that could kind of explain why because if that’s where you started, that’s where you’re you feel most at home and that’s fine.
Aliasgar Moosa: No, it is. Yeah. Yeah.

00:38:41

Aliasgar Moosa: No, no, no. I Yeah. No, but I don’t know what like See, but I’ve tried to change that, right? I I’ve been trying to I’ve been trying to change it, but I don’t know.
Macara Slobodian: You have changed things somewhat though because now you’ve kind of migrated over to the PC for a lot of
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh,
Macara Slobodian: things.
Aliasgar Moosa: that’s been a good exp. Oh, I love that to personally. Yes, definitely.
Macara Slobodian: No. And that’s fantastic that you’ve had such a positive experience with it.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah, believe me. I mean, if I could, I’d probably give up the Mac if I could. Not like I probably to save some not give it up, but save more space in here on this desk.
Macara Slobodian: Uh yeah, that’s a big thing,
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. But but see,
Macara Slobodian: too.
Aliasgar Moosa: we’re I’m we’re broadcasting today from the Mac. And where are we broadcasting from?
Macara Slobodian: You’re broadcasting from the
Aliasgar Moosa: We are broadcasting.

00:39:35

Macara Slobodian: studio.
Aliasgar Moosa: We are broadcasting you and I today and every show and every day,
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: every show we are
Macara Slobodian: Oh, the Musa Sloian Network.
Aliasgar Moosa: broadcasting That’s
Macara Slobodian: SL uh was a Sloan Network studio. We got there.
Aliasgar Moosa: right.
Macara Slobodian: We got there. Why do I feel like that’s just the the catchphrase of the day is that we got there.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes. So, do we know what I want to talk about next?
Macara Slobodian: What’s that?
Aliasgar Moosa: I want to talk about The Bread Winner and how much I enjoy that book.
Macara Slobodian: Let’s do it. I think you said last week that there was a special story with that one and I’d love to hear it.
Aliasgar Moosa: Okay. So, yeah. So, um in this case, I am going to use a name because it’s just for for for credit and shout out
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, of course.
Aliasgar Moosa: sake.
Macara Slobodian: And it’s a story. It’s not as much of a like this just happened.

00:40:42

Macara Slobodian: It’s a different
Aliasgar Moosa: Yep. Yep. Exactly. Yep. So, um, I want to give a shout out to my grade six teacher,
Macara Slobodian: thing.
Aliasgar Moosa: Tim Nesbet, for initially introducing me to the book. Now, Tim, if you’re listening, we want to hear from you.
Macara Slobodian: Absolutely. Please.
Aliasgar Moosa: We We want to hear from you. Uh if you prefer you can you can send a note to ali musa atthe muslabianetwork.ca or reach out uh I don’t think we have an official the Muslabian network Facebook page yet.
Macara Slobodian: No, not just yet. We have a the Alli and Mara Show Facebook page if that is that is a
Aliasgar Moosa: Um
Macara Slobodian: current place where you can reach out if you
Aliasgar Moosa: yeah,
Macara Slobodian: wish.
Aliasgar Moosa: currently that’s there but that but stay tuned.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, stay tuned.
Aliasgar Moosa: Stay stay or stay right here and stay tuned. So yes, so reach out there.
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: You can reach out there uh if you want, you know.

00:41:55

Aliasgar Moosa: So, there are tons of places you can reach us and you can tell us that you’re either listening or or put a comment in the uh if you’re if you’re uh if you’re watching us on YouTube, put a comment there in in the um in the in the show for
Macara Slobodian: Yeah,
Aliasgar Moosa: today,
Macara Slobodian: please do. That’s a great place to do
Aliasgar Moosa: you know.
Macara Slobodian: that.
Aliasgar Moosa: So, we are where you are. We are available where the eyeballs are. You know, you can listen to us there.
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: You can even listen and and in fact, you can even if if you prefer even not you not the YouTube, you can listen to us in uh audio as
Macara Slobodian: Yeah,
Aliasgar Moosa: well.
Macara Slobodian: we we have reinstated the audio stream and that’s not going anywhere anytime soon.
Aliasgar Moosa: No, no, no, no, not at all. That’s why we’re keeping the Mac around.
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: So yeah, so he met So Tim um uh um met Deborah Ellis.

00:43:02

Aliasgar Moosa: Now they didn’t they they apparently went to school. They went to school together, but they really didn’t know of each other or they but but one time he saw her and he’s like, “Was that you who wrote this book?” And he said and she said, “Yes.” So that was my very first time reading it. And then I think I read it a couple of years ago because if we look on our red shelf that it’s on our red
Macara Slobodian: Yeah,
Aliasgar Moosa: shelf and now
Macara Slobodian: I remember you putting it there a little while ago.
Aliasgar Moosa: of course we just added a date of reading of reading it and we actually have only 43 minutes left in
Macara Slobodian: Okay.
Aliasgar Moosa: that book. Now, my initial, you know, my my reaction to the
Macara Slobodian: I’m curious if it’s changed over the years when you’ve read it uh differently because of course
Aliasgar Moosa: book.
Macara Slobodian: when you’re in grade six it’s one thing and then your ideas and thoughts change as you grow up. So I’m wondering

00:44:06

Aliasgar Moosa: Yes. Now, one thing that kind of um it’s how See when like when like now I think of it at that time I didn’t of this piece but now their father when their father was whatever happened they’re saying arrested
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: where the older where parvana’s older sister Nura was act who hadn’t really who was still kind of who was still always very who was still very nasty to her despite that. Whereas the thinking would kind of see when it
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: comes to the realization, right? where the thinking kind of has to in that situation. Everyone has to still work together to, you know, to make sure that everything is settled in.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. And that’s that’s what you get more when Mrs. Wira starts to come around, right? That’s kind of the the messaging
Aliasgar Moosa: That’s right. That’s the messaging.
Macara Slobodian: there.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes. Of working together. But where the reaction in that type of situation really should be.

00:45:43

Aliasgar Moosa: And she did change a bit toward the end of the book.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: Uh, Nuria that
Macara Slobodian: You’re
Aliasgar Moosa: is,
Macara Slobodian: right.
Aliasgar Moosa: but where now this has happened. I have to where I have to stop the nastiness and now it’s time to work together. It but it took Mrs.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: Wira to sort of get that sorted.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. And I think unfortunately a lot of it came to from she’s a teenager and she’s dealing with all these Nura that is and she’s dealing with all these things and she’s terrified of what could happen to them and especially after her father is arrested like you see her reaction when that is taking place and she’s sort of the one who curls up in the corner right because sometimes soldiers do things to the the women and so I understand where a lot of it could have come. I’m not saying it’s correct of her. I’m just trying to and I I do completely agree with you. Like it does take Mrs. Wira to come in and say, “Okay, no, like everybody’s kind of got got to get out of their own heads and their own grief, I guess, to kind of because they still all have to survive.

00:47:22

Aliasgar Moosa: Now I agree, but I I still sort of I still sort of has to h but yes, but I mean but it still h but it doesn’t see when like being in that kind of situation it’s
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: different, right? Anybody who’s ever experienced that kind of situation would
Macara Slobodian: Of course. Like you can’t
Aliasgar Moosa: automatically say,
Macara Slobodian: It’s
Aliasgar Moosa: you know what, now is the like you wouldn’t even think about those teenage type things that dealing with this and dealing because it comes to a point where they have to get down to doing anything and everything to survive.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. And it’s not to say that she’s dealing with teenage things. It’s that she still technically is a child and she’s and of course so is Parvana, but Parvana is handling that very differently right from the beginning than Noria is.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes. But it’s also a case where um it’s but see that’s kind of what but see but that’s how it is in that part of the world right that that’s how it is in that part of the world where you know there isn’t

00:48:50

Macara Slobodian: Yeah. Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: see everyone survival is at their own expense not at their own expense but is at their own sort of ways.
Macara Slobodian: Ew.
Aliasgar Moosa: So it’s very much a case where realizing that this is what the normal is and this is no longer a time where where that kind of behavior is to be.
Macara Slobodian: That’s interesting that you say specifically and this is this kind of brings up an interesting point I think when you say this is how it is in that part of the world and and absolutely you’re right and what I think is kind of fascinating about that and what kind of needs to be then looked at is because I read on on good readads and of course this might not be the most academically sound source but just in the description It kind of says how Parvana’s outlook and her sort of expression and and ways of kind of doing things are very westernized. And maybe that could be the case for Nura as well. Kind of those initial behaviors, right?

00:50:13

Macara Slobodian: Like instead of kind of leading into right like immediately the survival, it becomes kind of those pieces. And what’s interesting to me about that is the fact that Deborah Ellis is obviously a Canadian author. And I I don’t doubt one bit that she put a lot of work into writing this story. And if you if you read anything anywhere, it says that she did all these interviews at at refugee camps, right?
Aliasgar Moosa: Okay. She actually went to Afghanistan,
Macara Slobodian: And even in the beginning of the Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: by the way.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, she did.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah,
Macara Slobodian: And and of course,
Aliasgar Moosa: she she did. Yeah. So,
Macara Slobodian: but there are I think it is worth saying and it doesn’t
Aliasgar Moosa: you go ahead.
Macara Slobodian: mean that this is that she’s wrong for ever having done it. It doesn’t mean that the book is discounted in any way. It’s a great book, but the the amount and the extent to which she can kind of portray that I would imagine becomes a little limited, right?

00:51:20

Aliasgar Moosa: Not really.
Macara Slobodian: No. Why? Why do you not think
Aliasgar Moosa: No, because because it was see
Macara Slobodian: so?
Aliasgar Moosa: because this was all because it’s um No, no, because see she because not only because her writing is actually based on a true story. Yes. The book itself is a f is fiction. The characters are fiction,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: but it’s based off of a true it’s based off of the reality of life over there.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. And the accounts the accounts that she was able to
Aliasgar Moosa: And yes, yes,
Macara Slobodian: gather
Aliasgar Moosa: not only yes, that’s exactly it. Not only that but in Afghanistan that is actually what um what had happened see Afghanistan there were a lot of educated like people had pe educated people who and there still and they still could be but that was known for that people with like education and people with like a lot of good things used to come out of that country before the Taliban took
Macara Slobodian: And that’s a lot of what she indicates in the book, right?

00:52:44

Macara Slobodian: Like you get a bit of the history, you get a bit of even Pvana’s own parents are are well educated
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: people.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. And that’s why right and that see and that’s why like and that’s sort of why I I I kind of come to that but I I don’t necessarily think I don’t feel in a way that it would be that of of it being limiting because she gathered up and not and stayed at and and uh you know I think she even uh you know stayed around there and tried to gather some things and that’s how she wrote the book.
Macara Slobodian: It does sound like it cuz now that you mentioned I think I saw somewhere that it was that it was months,
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. She stayed in those refugee camps, I think.
Macara Slobodian: right? Like not just so
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: Right. So, but see, and that is really how it and and that’s how and that’s how life still continues to be in that part of the world.

00:53:52

Macara Slobodian: Yeah, unfortunately. Absolutely.
Aliasgar Moosa: It is unfortunate,
Macara Slobodian: And
Aliasgar Moosa: but that’s just but to them it’s kind of the normal or for them it’s the it’s the
Macara Slobodian: yeah, I will say, yeah,
Aliasgar Moosa: normal.
Macara Slobodian: I will say I had completely forgotten until rereading it about them digging up the bones to make more
Aliasgar Moosa: Uh yes.
Macara Slobodian: money.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah, that was a part of the bone digging p I did too personally. Yep. I forgot about that too.
Macara Slobodian: It It had been a long time for me as well, and I had I remembered that
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, for me it wasn’t that long ago.
Macara Slobodian: Parvana.
Aliasgar Moosa: I think it was only maybe I don’t know when the last time was I read it. A couple years ago,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, because I remember that’s one you put on your red shelf.
Aliasgar Moosa: maybe
Macara Slobodian: Like I remember Parvana having to dress up as a boy and having to go to the market, but I forgot about the
Aliasgar Moosa: see and that also is that’s also a bit of

00:54:35

Macara Slobodian: bones.
Aliasgar Moosa: a reality of that I know for you know over there as well.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: see that that’s just kind of the way life is over there. And you know, and see
Macara Slobodian: I will say it’s a very I still think it’s a very good entry point if you don’t know a lot about what went on with the Taliban and what possibly still goes on. What does still go on? Not even possibly it it does. But because see I came to it at a similar time in my schooling as you did. I my grade five teacher read it to us. So, it was it was very much sort of that introduction to this is what’s going on somewhere else in the world, especially for girls and women and all of the laws and the restrictions that are put into place for them. And I think,
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: sorry, go ahead.
Aliasgar Moosa: No. Go ahead.
Macara Slobodian: I think that might have also been around the same time as as um Malala Yusaf

00:56:01

Aliasgar Moosa: I am Malala.
Macara Slobodian: Yusafsai.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes,
Macara Slobodian: So it so it was very much absolutely so I think it
Aliasgar Moosa: good book. Another good book. Another good book.
Macara Slobodian: was very much the conversation at the time.
Aliasgar Moosa: And stones into schools as well. Uh Khaled Husini.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah. Right.
Aliasgar Moosa: Another good one.
Macara Slobodian: And I just remember having after finishing this one I because there are three more in this series and I I recall having read through all of them eventually at that
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah, I I only read the first one.
Macara Slobodian: time
Aliasgar Moosa: I haven’t read all three of them. Yeah, there’s like the bread winner number two and then there’s one on Pvana as well.
Macara Slobodian: and there’s one on specifically on uh Shazia as
Aliasgar Moosa: But yeah, like see yeah look and I look I’m I’m not like see the thing here is is that in this we are better off in this part of the world. We certainly are. Well, better I use

00:57:04

Macara Slobodian: in in those ways and and now it’s a very different thing.
Aliasgar Moosa: the
Macara Slobodian: But I I do see what you’re saying and and at the time of first having been read this book, that was very much the kind of rhetoric that we were getting taught and getting explained to us, which at the time was very true, by the way.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes.
Macara Slobodian: Much better even than now,
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: I would argue,
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: but
Aliasgar Moosa: You can’t really say that that we’re better. Well, we have a lot of Look, we do have equal rights.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: I mean, but see, unfortunately, see, like I mean, it just kind of not to bring polit Well, well, they can tune to the Ali Musa show if they want to hear politics talk, but you know,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: you can tune in there,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah,
Aliasgar Moosa: but but look, we talk around here about things. So,
Macara Slobodian: we do.
Aliasgar Moosa: you know,
Macara Slobodian: We do. But it’s it’s heavy to get into at

00:58:08

Aliasgar Moosa: it is.
Macara Slobodian: times.
Aliasgar Moosa: But no, but I mean, but but you kind of sometime you kind of have to though.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: Sometimes like you kind of have to.
Macara Slobodian: And it is important especially right now in the current moment.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah, you have to.
Macara Slobodian: You do
Aliasgar Moosa: I don’t like it, but you have to. Well, you have to. Like,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: you have to be informed.
Macara Slobodian: And you can’t really abstain from having having some sort of discourse around it or having because then that’s just how things get worse. If you don’t talk about things, then you just kind of let them
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah,
Macara Slobodian: lie.
Aliasgar Moosa: you do. Yep. Yeah. But you know, but I mean I’m I mean you look at see I mean you’re looking at a lot of things now where the bigger picture of them the bigger picture of them are that right now yes in Canada we have equal
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: rights.

00:59:11

Aliasgar Moosa: Women have the same freedom as men do. As as women should,
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: we all I mean, sorry, as we all as we all should.
Macara Slobodian: Yeah, absolutely.
Aliasgar Moosa: As we all should. But yes, while people fought for these freedoms before us, I I don’t know what things I don’t know what you can say now.
Macara Slobodian: I feel like all you can say now is that that fight isn’t quite over.
Aliasgar Moosa: No. And I really don’t think it Go ahead.
Macara Slobodian: Like we still have to fight for those freedoms.
Aliasgar Moosa: Pardon me.
Macara Slobodian: We still do have to fight for those freedoms.
Aliasgar Moosa: We do. But I still think it’s going to be a long time before we can sort of, you know, that we can sort of put it all together. It kind of feels like things are taking a step back in a lot of ways.
Macara Slobodian: Yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: when we’re,
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: you know,
Macara Slobodian: And you you see that in America a lot.

01:00:29

Aliasgar Moosa: we’re not like, see, pardon,
Macara Slobodian: You see that in America a lot right
Aliasgar Moosa: you see it in America,
Macara Slobodian: now.
Aliasgar Moosa: but you also see, see, you’re also seeing it a little bit here. You know what I mean?
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: Cuz see, regardless of what anybody says, what happens there is also a a pretty huge impact here.
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: And it’s being
Macara Slobodian: And how would Yeah. And how would you say we’re taking steps back here
Aliasgar Moosa: felt
Macara Slobodian: specifically?
Aliasgar Moosa: here. Here I can’t say. And I knew you were going to ask me that. See, we knew we would ask us that.
Macara Slobodian: It’s the question.
Aliasgar Moosa: I know. I’m not dis I’m not, you know, I’m I’m not I’m not, you know, disputing questions.
Macara Slobodian: No. And I I’m not suggesting that you
Aliasgar Moosa: I love question.
Macara Slobodian: are.
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, come on. You know that,
Macara Slobodian: Of course.
Aliasgar Moosa: right? But but you know but you’re seeing like see you’re seeing a lot of things like you’re seeing a you’ve seen like see you’re seeing a lot of like for example you see a lot of like here the one thing that you are seeing is you’re seeing the crimes are continuing to increase.

01:02:06

Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: you’re seeing a lot of that and a lot of times you’re seeing it with um you know like a lot of times shut down um the brailer. No, I don’t want it to shut down yet.
Macara Slobodian: every time.
Aliasgar Moosa: No, cuz it was
Macara Slobodian: No, that’s true.
Aliasgar Moosa: idling.
Macara Slobodian: That’s true. No, but you are seeing that increase and especially a lot of a lot of hate crimes
Aliasgar Moosa: you are. That’s Yep. Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: everywhere.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yep. You’re seeing a lot of hate crimes. And as much as I’d like to say that we’ll get better, I’m not like as much as look as look, I want to see things get better, but I I don’t know what to say.
Macara Slobodian: I I think it’s hard to feel like it’ll get better.
Aliasgar Moosa: That’s it.
Macara Slobodian: I think it’s it’s about I I want to I think I’m would rather believe in this
Aliasgar Moosa: Yep.
Macara Slobodian: point not not believe that we will get better but believe in our ability to get better.

01:03:28

Aliasgar Moosa: Well, I mean, it kind of means the same thing, doesn’t
Macara Slobodian: Well, no,
Aliasgar Moosa: it?
Macara Slobodian: because in some sense it’s like, oh, we absolutely will get better. And I’m not sure about that,
Aliasgar Moosa: No,
Macara Slobodian: but we are we are capable of getting
Aliasgar Moosa: I’m not either.
Macara Slobodian: better.
Aliasgar Moosa: We are, but it’s also going to get worse before it gets
Macara Slobodian: Yeah.
Aliasgar Moosa: better.
Macara Slobodian: But that’s what I mean is I’d rather believe in that capability that it is possible to get better. It’s not to say that it won’t get worse before it does,
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: but it’s it’s easier to say or I find it easier to say we can get better rather than oh, right now we definitely will because that’s not to your point that doesn’t feel very likely at this
Aliasgar Moosa: No,
Macara Slobodian: moment.
Aliasgar Moosa: no, it really doesn’t. And it and it’s gonna Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: And speaking to kind of the politics end of things,
Aliasgar Moosa: Oh man,
Macara Slobodian: what else have you been reading?

01:04:25

Aliasgar Moosa: we got to lighten it up a bit here before we wrap up the show here.
Macara Slobodian: Well,
Aliasgar Moosa: Go ahead. Go ahead.
Macara Slobodian: what else have you been reading that?
Aliasgar Moosa: Speaking of the politics angle,
Macara Slobodian: What else have you been reading this week?
Aliasgar Moosa: go ahead.
Macara Slobodian: I think you’ve been looking more at a promised
Aliasgar Moosa: That’s right.
Macara Slobodian: land.
Aliasgar Moosa: I have been. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yes. We’ve been paying attention.
Macara Slobodian: Here we
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. Now, even that I I mean I I appreciate the fact that um you get that you get you see what’s going on now that what it was like in Obama’s
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: time. What were his experiences as a president? What were things he was trying to do?
Macara Slobodian: Mhm. Now, what has he been talking about where you’ve kind of gotten up to?
Aliasgar Moosa: What is he talking? Uh, it’s been a few days. I can’t

01:05:19

Macara Slobodian: Okay,
Aliasgar Moosa: remember.
Macara Slobodian: that’s fair. But it it is a very different perspective from him versus what it it would almost be refreshing, right? Because it’s a different perspective than kind of the the way the current talk is, right?
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah. And I don’t know what to say about that either.
Macara Slobodian: Best not to,
Aliasgar Moosa: Well, I do I do have thoughts on it,
Macara Slobodian: I suppose.
Aliasgar Moosa: but
Macara Slobodian: And of course, Obama dealt with his share of difficulties in his own time. That’s not we the there has never been a time where there has not
Aliasgar Moosa: he did
Macara Slobodian: been some problem or other or some some sort of conflict happening because that’s just not how the world works, but certainly it feels like it’s on a different scale
Aliasgar Moosa: No.
Macara Slobodian: now.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yep. Definitely.
Macara Slobodian: So that’s what else you’ve read this week.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yep.
Macara Slobodian: Great. And I also finished the books of the book of Lost Names earlier in the week.

01:06:47

Aliasgar Moosa: Oh, I’m going to get to the end of that soon as
Macara Slobodian: Yeah,
Aliasgar Moosa: well.
Macara Slobodian: it’s interesting because it is still very much a World War II story and there are quite a number of those out there. It seems a popular period of time in historical fiction and there are plenty of non-fiction out there, too. It’s It’s good. The pacing is really what keeps you going through it. But I will say it is lighter than some others that I’ve read in that same genre, which feels like a weird thing to say, but the ending is is considerably lighter than I would have expected.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: So that was interesting.
Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah.
Macara Slobodian: And speaking of books, next week. We need a book for next week.
Aliasgar Moosa: What would we like to do next
Macara Slobodian: Well,
Aliasgar Moosa: week?
Macara Slobodian: a while back before the holidays, we were talking about wanting to explore the plus catalog a little bit more in Audible
Aliasgar Moosa: Yes, we did, didn’t we?
Macara Slobodian: and I took a very cursory level poke through there this morning and I would like to do the audio dramatized version of George Orwell’s 1984 that is in the plus catalog.

01:08:06

Aliasgar Moosa: Let’s do it
Macara Slobodian: I think it’ll be very topical for this moment because a
Aliasgar Moosa: then.
Macara Slobodian: lot of people I’ve seen online say that these days it is a very topical book. But I think the dramatized version will be interesting.
Aliasgar Moosa: Let’s do
Macara Slobodian: Let’s do now we’re on to the schedule.
Aliasgar Moosa: it.
Macara Slobodian: What’s coming up on the Ali Musa show?
Aliasgar Moosa: Okay. So, what could it mean? What could Canada’s future look like?
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: What with the whole Greenland situation?
Macara Slobodian: Ah,
Aliasgar Moosa: Could,
Macara Slobodian: yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: and I I hate to say it like this, but I’m going to. Could Canada be next?
Macara Slobodian: That is the question.
Aliasgar Moosa: If Venezuela was a prime example, has been a prime example, could Canada be next? Well,
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: if you’re interested in hearing not, well, I in we we here at the Musa Sloian Network would like for you to tune in tomorrow
Macara Slobodian: Mhm.
Aliasgar Moosa: afternoon at what is it?

01:09:36

Aliasgar Moosa: 3:30 p.m. Eastern when When in the Muslian network, we will we will welcome Becky Kohl’s to discuss these
Macara Slobodian: Yes,
Aliasgar Moosa: topics.
Macara Slobodian: that’ll be a great chat.
Aliasgar Moosa: It most certainly will. And you can listen on the audio. You can listen on YouTube. You can listen on the website of course if you want and you can listen on
Macara Slobodian: Ah, yes.
Aliasgar Moosa: your favorite plot. You can listen on Apple or Pocketcast, wherever you listen.
Macara Slobodian: Like we said earlier, we’re where the eyeballs
Aliasgar Moosa: We most certainly are.
Macara Slobodian: are.
Aliasgar Moosa: And of course, if you miss the links there, you can check them out on there. They’re also uh um also will be available on the discords and the WhatsApps or wherever you want us to wherever you are. We
Macara Slobodian: Exactly.
Aliasgar Moosa: are
Macara Slobodian: Can always get at them through the Facebook page to the site and
Aliasgar Moosa: on LinkedIn as well
Macara Slobodian: yes we we truly are in many places.
Aliasgar Moosa: and many more are coming too.

01:11:08
Macara Slobodian: Yes. And of course,
Aliasgar Moosa: We have a books panel too later
Macara Slobodian: we will we do we have it in just a little under two
Aliasgar Moosa: on.
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Aliasgar Moosa: Yeah,
Macara Slobodian: Of course we will be back.
Aliasgar Moosa: we don’t charge for
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Aliasgar Moosa: that.
Macara Slobodian: We don’t. Just have to enter your email. No, we don’t charge for anything here.
Aliasgar Moosa: No, we
Macara Slobodian: And of course,
Aliasgar Moosa: don’t.
Macara Slobodian: we will be back here next Sunday for another regular Sunday show at 3:30 p.m. Eastern to discuss 1984 by George Orwell. Stay tuned, everyone. Be well. Be safe. We will be back next week.
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January 10“The Book of Lost Names”, and Other Books We Have Been Reading, Saturday, Jan 10, 2026
Audio streaming vs. YouTube livestreaming
The hosts discussed the pros and cons of different streaming methods.
Details
Ali: Suggested YouTube streaming is better because viewers get notifications
Macara: Noted audio streaming requires users to keep refreshing to check if content is live
Ali: Mentioned wanting to be less tied to Mac-specific solutions
Macara: Acknowledged that having multiple streaming options might still be valuable
Conclusion
They agreed YouTube streaming is likely more convenient for viewers
They invited listeners to email if they use the audio stream to help inform future decisions
They decided to streamline their process by focusing on YouTube unless they hear otherwise
“The Book of Lost Names” discussion
The hosts shared their initial impressions of “The Book of Lost Names” by Kristin Harmel.
Details
Ali: Noted how the main character Ava took a gamble when her father was arrested, trying to escape Paris without fully thinking through the process
Macara: Pointed out that the urgency of the situation left little time for careful planning
Ali: Appreciated how relatable the story is despite being fictional
Macara: Expressed interest in the significance of the code mentioned in the book and why the older Ava character considered it important
Ali: Mentioned he had reached approximately chapter 7
Macara: Shared she was around chapter 4 and found the pacing good
Conclusion
Both hosts are enjoying the book and plan to continue reading
They noted parallels between the WWII setting and current world events
They found the narration quality acceptable though not exceptional
“Iron Mike” discussion
The hosts briefly continued their discussion of the book about hockey coach Mike Keenan.
Details
Ali: Mentioned Keenan was fined for his intense coaching methods
Ali: Noted Keenan continued to get NHL jobs despite being fired repeatedly, suggesting his methods got results
Macara: Drew a parallel to the Toronto Maple Leafs’ recent coaching situation
Conclusion
They agreed Keenan’s continued employment despite his controversial style indicated he was effective at getting results
Other books being read
The hosts briefly mentioned other books they’re currently reading.
Details
Ali: Continuing with “Values” by Mark Carney
Macara: Reading more of “Good Omens” but still finding it doesn’t match her memory of enjoying it previously
Macara: Enjoys the characters in “Good Omens” but is struggling with the writing style
Conclusion
Macara will continue with “Good Omens” despite reservations since she’s already a third through
Ali is enjoying “Values” and wants to finish it
Next week’s book selection
The hosts selected their next book to discuss.
Details
Ali: Suggested “The Breadwinner” by Deborah Ellis, which he has read multiple times
Macara: Enthusiastically agreed, mentioning she had read it in elementary school
Ali: Mentioned there’s a special story related to the book that he’ll share next week
Conclusion
They agreed to read “The Breadwinner” for next week’s discussion
Upcoming schedule
The hosts reviewed upcoming shows and events.
Details
Ali: Mentioned the Ali Moosa show is off for another week
Ali: Announced Becky Coles will be a guest on January 19th
Ali: Noted Jim Tatti is returning on February 2nd
Macara: Reminded about the books panel on January 30th discussing “Anatomy of a Con Artist”
Macara: Mentioned Techstravaganza on January 14th featuring a tutorial on Perplexity
Conclusion
Their next regular show will be January 18th at 3:30 PM Eastern
They have several special guests and events planned in the coming weeks
Check out What Else is Coming Up on Techstravaganza at the Following Link
(corrected), Updated, What’s Coming Up on Techstravaganza for January and February 2026
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