In this episode, Crina and Kirsten take on the so-called “ambition gap”—and promptly flip it on its head. Spoiler: women aren’t less ambitious. The system just hasn’t been built to recognize, support, or reward their ambition in the same way.

Drawing on research from McKinsey & Company and Boston Consulting Group, the episode starts with a myth-busting reality check: early in their careers, women’s ambition tracks almost identically to men’s -  but by the manager level, that gap widens significantly not because women lose drive, but because workplaces systematically drain it.

So what’s actually happening? Crina and Kirsten unpack the structural issues behind the idea that there is an ambition gap between men and women: women are less likely to have sponsors, less likely to have career advancement conversations with managers, and more likely to carry the invisible “people management tax”—the mentoring, emotional labor, and team support work that keeps organizations running but rarely leads to promotion. Add in a lack of visible role models in leadership, and the message becomes clear: “this path might not be for you.” Over time, ambition to achieve the next level on the ladder doesn't disappear—it gets recalibrated.

And here’s the twist: what looks like an “ambition gap” may be a rational decision. Before anyone starts wringing their hands about women “leaning out,” the episode pivots to something far more interesting: ambition isn’t shrinking—it’s evolving. New data shows that 86% of senior women leaders feel more ambitious than they did five years ago, and 92% are energized about what’s ahead.

The difference? Women are redefining what ambition actually means. It’s less about titles and linear ladders, and more about autonomy, flexibility, impact, and multi-dimensional careers. Today’s leaders are executives and advisors, founders and board members—crafting portfolios that reflect their values and lives, not corporate scripts.  

Crina and Kirsten land on a powerful reframe: the issue isn’t that women lack ambition—it’s that traditional workplaces lack imagination. When ambition is supported, visible, and aligned with real human priorities, it doesn’t fade. It expands - and that, listeners is what is happening for women who work.  Women aren’t opting out. They’re rewriting the rules.