The Ballad of Dena & Andrea

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In this final episode of the Ballad of Dena & Andrea I read a bit from the old bible and wonder about our current institutions for mental health and our sick carceral system. 

I speak with two folks who've worked in various positions as educators and facilitators in restorative justice, sex education, and art programs.  

I'll mention the fund that Andrea started with her lawyer to support mental health of young mothers. It is linked below as well...

The song is a fictional POV from Andrea inside the Kerrville, TX mental institution. 

Show Links

Article: Sorrow and the Shame of the Accidental Killer 

Restorative Justice Definition: https://www.vera.org/

The L.A. jail system is the largest mental health institution in the U.S.

https://www.vera.org/news/for-decades-los-angeles-jailed-people-with-mental-health-needs-now-its-finally-prioritizing-treatment

Homeboy Industries

adrienne maree brown & a list of her books we mention

• Pleasure Activism
• Emergent Strategy
• We Will Not Cancel Us 

Octavia Butler: Parable of the Sower

Dory Midnight

The Witch Wave Podcast with Pam Grossman

Nicole Brewer - Anti-Racist Theatre: “The grace to speak in draft and the responsibility to edit if it is harmful"

Fumbling Toward Repair

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund

I Need An Abortion

National Suicide Hotline: You can call 998 or find help online at 

https://988lifeline.org/

Domestic Abuse Hotline

Trevor Project

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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Comedian, Showrunner, Ceramicist and very good friend Eliza Skinner and I talk about how rom coms effed us all, Bad Women, cultural fables, what do our "butts and guts want" and how she should’ve been a Unitarian Minister.

The song for this episode is Get a Job. Inspired by the fact that Dena was fired from Walmart within hrs of the local news making public a picture of her at work. She was doing nothing wrong, had served her time, and was following all the rules given to her. 

Links

Eliza's Socials:
https://www.tiktok.com/@realelizaskinner
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1982901/

Faster Pussycat Kill Kill Trailer

Masterpiece Bakery  / ACLU (Colorado)

Kim Davis - Kentucky Clerk who denied licenses 

Web Designer Supreme Court Decision

Down Came the Rain - Brooke Shields book on postpartum depression
Postpartum Book Club Chat about it…

A Way With Words

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International
https://www.postpartum.net/

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program
https://www.postpartum.net/about-psi/legal-justice/

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund
https://www.postpartum.net/twenty-years-later/

I Need An Abortion
https://www.ineedana.com/

National Suicide Hotline: You can call 998 or find help online at
https://988lifeline.org/

Domestic Abuse Hotline
https://www.thehotline.org/

Trevor Project
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/

Support the Podcast Links

Venmo

Album

Hosted and created by Becky Poole
Songs written and sung by Becky Poole
Musical Saw by Becky Poole
Song and Theme Instrumentation, Production, and Mix by Abby Posner
Mastered by Dave Locke

Podcast Audio Editing & Mixing by Evan Mosher

Graphic Design by Stefan Lawrence
Photo by Logan Futej

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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Female rage. I'm feeling it and that's what this week's song is about. And to balance complaint with community - the guest is my good friend Marta Portillo. An actor, teaching artist, and certified very good person. We discuss her work as an interpreter, the importance of independent health clinics and education, dramatic catholic rituals, PERIODS!, grieving what you thought life would be and what it turns out being. 

Show Links

MEND Clinic

Homicide Leading Cause of Death for Pregnant Women Article

HPV Vaccine
https://www.gardasil9.com/patient-a/

British Mother & Baby Units Article

SA in LA Juvenile Detention Centers

Indigenous Language Interpretation
Cielo.org

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International
https://www.postpartum.net/

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program
https://www.postpartum.net/about-psi/legal-justice/

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund
https://www.postpartum.net/twenty-years-later/

I Need An Abortion
https://www.ineedana.com/

Shout Your Abortion
https://shoutyourabortion.com/

National Suicide Hotline: You can call 998 or find help online at
https://988lifeline.org/

Domestic Abuse Hotline
https://www.thehotline.org/

Trevor Project
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/

Support the Podcast Links

Full Album on Link
Venmo Link
Patreon Link 

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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A lullaby from Andrea's perspective & interview with ever-charming performance artist-actor-comedian-goddess Caroline Kingsley Moffat! We discuss her new mother journey, community, buttcracks, and more! 

The Violet Hour / Winnifred Coombe
https://www.instagram.com/winnifredcoombe/

The Motherhood Center
https://themotherhoodcenter.com/

Tully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5D3O4yCmCg

Pen15
https://www.hulu.com/series/8c87035d-2b10-4b10-a233-ca5b3597145d

Night Bitch
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55835474-nightbitch
https://youtu.be/918prRymA-U?si=dUEkbip5K2CqlDUI

Build Your Nest - Workbook & site by Kestrel Gates​​https://www.buildyournestworkbook.com/

This site includes resources like postpartum navigators, etc.
https://www.buildyournestworkbook.com/postpartum-navigators-directory

Moonwise Podcast - Dorothee Sophie Royall
https://www.moonwise.co/

Parent Artist Advocacy League
https://www.paaltheatre.com/

Matthew Coleman
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2023-10-12/coleman-competency-ruling-mexico-san-diego

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bvmjzq/matthew-taylor-coleman-santa-barbara-qanon

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International
https://www.postpartum.net/

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program
https://www.postpartum.net/about-psi/legal-justice/

About the Yates Children Memorial Fund
https://www.postpartum.net/twenty-years-later/

I Need An Abortion
https://www.ineedana.com/

National Suicide Hotline: You can call 998 or find help online at
https://988lifeline.org/

Domestic Abuse Hotline
https://www.thehotline.org/

Trevor Project
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/

Support the Podcast Links

Venmo

Patreon Link

Album

Hosted & created by Becky Poole
Songs written & sung by Becky Poole
Musical Saw - Becky Poole
Song & Theme Instrumentation, Production, & Mix - Abby Posner
Mastered by Dave Locke
Podcast Audio Editing & Mixing - Evan Mosher
Graphic Design - Stefan Lawrence
Photo - Logan Futej

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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Tara Shoe tells me about New Jersey's Christian Surfers and we get into a bit of the Matthew Coleman story. The man (and Christian Surfer) who killed his kids b/c they had serpent's blood. 

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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Tara Shoe and Becky talk about HPV. Fun! 

Tara Shoe

https://x.com/tarashoe

Scaretown USA

https://www.instagram.com/scare_town_usa/

HPV & Cervical Cancer

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/basic-information.html

https://www.cancer.gov/types/cervical/screening/abnormal-hpv-pap-test-results

HPV Vaccine

https://www.gardasil9.com/patient-a/

HRT Cancer link overestimated

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/magazine/menopause-hot-flashes-hormone-therapy.html

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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In the episode, I'll briefly intro the song "Gentle Letters". Based on Dena's story. Dena wrote her surviving daughters a letter once a week after her arrest. The letters piled up, and were unsent - Dena's children weren't ready for them. Some letters include drawings of children, all are filled with how much she loves and misses her daughters. Dena calls them her "gentle letters."

This ep's interview is with the very producer of the music for “The Ballad of Dena & Andrea,” Abby Posner. Abby is an award winning songwriter and multi-instrumentalist specializing in genre bending music that she calls, ameri-kinda. She blows minds and breaks hearts all across the US and UK. Has music on Hulu, Netflix, This American Life, The CW. She’s scored music for documentaries including the fully engaging “Lady Buds.” Try to see her when you can and in the meantime listen to her here, right now. We talk about writing through a trance state of grief, her album “Second Chances”, the healing power of music, and about working with this podcast’s material in particular. 

Show and Guest Links

Abby’s Website: https://www.abbyposner.com/

Trevor Project https://www.thetrevorproject.org/

Tools for peace https://www.toolsforpeace.org/

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund

I Need An Abortion

PlanCPills 

National Suicide Hotline: You can call 998 or find help online at 

Domestic Abuse Hotline

Trevor Project

Exvangelical Podcast

Support the Podcast Links

Venmo

Patreon Link

Album

Hosted & created by Becky Poole
Songs written & sung by Becky Poole
Musical Saw by Becky Poole
Song & Theme Instrumentation, Production, & Mix by Abby Posner
Mastered by Dave Locke

Podcast Audio Editing & Mixing by Evan Mosher

Graphic Design by Stefan Lawrence
Photo by Logan Futej

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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In this episode we get into a bit of the religious messaging that Dena was receiving as well as a glimpse into her home life. Song incorporates a bible verse that Dena fixated on before the killing. Guest: Writer, Tara Shoe. We talk about her experience with cervical cancer, growing up in an evangelical Christian environment, women’s health, the allure of church communities, changing minds abt motherhood, and speaking in tongues. We discuss health care, but we are NOT doctors. Please consult your doctors for any medical advice.

Pod takes twists in and out of light-hearted and serious. Prepare for emotional rollercoaster action! 

CW: postpartum psychosis, depression, domestic abuse, suicide, infanticide, and religious zealotry. 

Pod holds an inclusive definition of womanhood. 

Tara Shoe

Scaretown USA

HPV & Cervical Cancer

HPV Vaccine

HRT Cancer Link Overestimated

The Exvangelicals: Sarah McCammon

Shout Your Abortion

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund

I Need An Abortion

PlanCPills 

National Suicide Hotline: Or call 998

Domestic Abuse Hotline

Trevor Project

Exvangelical Podcast

Venmo

Patreon Link

Album

Hosted & created by Becky Poole
Songs written, sung, musical saw - Becky Poole
Song & Theme Instrumentation, Production & Mix - Abby Posner
Mastered - Dave Locke

Podcast Audio Editing & Mixing - Evan Mosher

Graphic Design - Stefan Lawrence
Photo - Logan Futej

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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In this episode we get into a bit of the religious messaging that Andrea Yates was receiving like the pamphlet she received with a rhyme titled “Modern Mother Worldly.” I chat with my good friend and host of the parenting podcast “One Bad Mother,” Biz Ellis. We talk about her experience as a mother, women’s health (being ignored), and sing inappropriate camp songs! 

Pod takes twists and turns. Be prepared for emotional rollercoaster action! 

CW: We will discuss postpartum psychosis, depression, domestic abuse, suicide, infanticide, and religious zealotry.  

I aim to include anyone who has identified as a woman, female, or femme at any point in their journey. 

Show and Guest Links

One Bad Mother

One Bad Mother Book

Poison Control

Therapy for Black Girls

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration

National Sexual Assault Hotline (800) 656-4673

Unwell Women - Elinor Cleghorn

Carla Naumburg

Glenn Boozan

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund

I Need An Abortion

PlanCPills 

National Suicide Hotline: Or call 998 

Domestic Abuse Hotline

Trevor Project

Exvangelical Podcast

Support the Pod 

Venmo

Patreon Link

Album

Hosted & created - Becky Poole
Songs written, sung & musical saw - Becky Poole
Song & Theme Instrumentation, Production, & Mix - Abby Posner
Mastered - Dave Locke

Podcast Audio Editing & Mixing - Evan Mosher

Graphic Design - Stefan Lawrence
Photo - Logan Futej

"Modern Mother Worldly" Produced by Drew Pearson, Becky Poole saw/vox, Thea Lux on harmonies and banjo, Victor Cohen on guitar, John Conant on Bass. 

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram. 

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This first episode introduces the story of Dena & Andrea in an epic murder ballad. You’ll hear a bit about what a murder ballad is and why I dig them. I’ll chat with two friends, who also tell stories of murder, about the pros and cons of true crime, what it’s like to create macabre content with humor, and the importance of letting go of reductive “good/evil” narratives. Guests: Muriel Montgomery & Nick Casalini of the true crime humor podcast “Muriel’s Murders.” 

This pod takes twists in and out of light-hearted and serious. Be prepared for emotional rollercoaster action! 

CW: postpartum psychosis, depression, suicide, infanticide, and religious zealotry. Please take care of yourself while listening. 

When I use the word women I aim to include anyone who has identified as a woman, female, or femme at any point in their journey. 

Links from Show & Guests

Alan Lomax recordings 

Roud Index 

Omie Wise 

Muriel’s Murders

Texas Killing Fields I-45 between Houston and Galveston

Ear Hustle

The New Gurus 

The Good Stuff

Ballad of Dena & Andrea Links

Postpartum Support International

PSI Yates Children Memorial Fund Legal Justice Program

A bit about the Yates Children Memorial Fund

I Need An Abortion

PlanCPills 

National Suicide Hotline: You can call 998 or find help online at 

Domestic Abuse Hotline

Trevor Project

Exvangelical Podcast

Support the Pod Links

Venmo

Patreon Link

Album

Hosted & created - Becky Poole
Songs written & sung - Becky Poole
Musical Saw - Becky Poole
Song & Theme Instrumentation, Production, & Mix - Abby Posner
Mastered - Dave Locke

Podcast Audio Editing & Mixing - Evan Mosher

Graphic Design - Stefan Lawrence
Photo - Logan Futej

Thank you for listening. For more about postpartum psychosis, go to Postpartum Support International. For the full album click here . Join the conversation on Instagram.