Allison Kaplan Sommer and Noah Efron talk about (1) whether and how this week’s war on Iran reshapes our understanding of the more than 20 months of war in Gaza that preceded it, and (2) what we can learn from a moving essay by American journalist Isaac Saul called, “I think I’m Leaving Zionism, or Zionism is Leaving Me.”

All this and what we learn about Iran from the Persians living among us, and music by these self-same Persians.

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