In this episode, Tommy is joined by bravery expert, leadership developer, and author Jill Schulman to unpack The Bravery Effect—the idea that bravery isn’t something you’re born with, but something you can train. Jill shares her unconventional path from Marine Corps officer to positive psychology expert, blending personal stories, scientific research, and practical tools to show that courage is a learnable skill.

Together, they explore how bravery drives personal and professional growth, why discomfort is essential, how mindset shapes action, and why surrounding yourself with the right people can make you braver than you ever imagined. Whether you're facing a tough decision, stuck in a rut, or seeking a more courageous life, this conversation offers a roadmap toward becoming who you were meant to be.

• Bravery is not innate — it’s a skill you can learn and strengthen.
• Choosing discomfort is often the doorway to growth.
• A supportive community (“your brave tribe”) elevates your bravery.
• Bravery = voluntary action in the presence of fear toward a worthwhile goal.
• Small acts of “micro-bravery” compound into high confidence.
• Mindset is foundational — especially growth mindset and stress-is-enhancing mindset.
• Planning and pre-deciding your actions prevent fear from talking you out of progress.
• Some brave actions involve letting go, not just taking on more.
• Bravery is a strategy, not just a feeling.
• Every person has an area where they can take the next brave step.

00:00 Introduction to Bravery

03:07 Jill’s Journey & The Science of Bravery

05:50 The Definition and Importance of Bravery

12:07 Building Bravery as a Muscle

17:50 The Role of Comfort and Discomfort

24:02 Micro-Bravery in Everyday Life

29:41 Mindset & Stress Management

35:48 Taking Action & Planning for Bravery

41:47 Right-Sizing Your Bravery Goals

47:42 Surrounding Yourself with a Brave Tribe

• Jill Schulman’s Website: https://www.jillschulman.com
• Bravery Quiz: https://www.jillschulman.com/bravery-quiz

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