The debate comes to a head. In Episode 2 of 2, Jason and Dee of the Surely You Can’t Be Serious podcast finish their head-to-head breakdown of the iconic 1985 films The Breakfast Club and St. Elmo’s Fire. This time, the focus shifts to the cast of St. Elmo’s Fire and the lasting legacy of its ensemble as full-fledged Brat Pack icons. For fun, Dee takes a sharper angle by calling out each character’s fatal flaw, while Jason counters with an alternate, more generous interpretation — finding the redeeming qualities hiding beneath the self-absorption, ambition, and chaos. With the character debate settled, the guys zoom out and deliver their final verdict, answering the big question they’ve been circling all along: which of these two 1985 classics truly stands the test of time? Is it the intimate honesty of detention, or the messy post-college reality of adulthood? Nostalgia, analysis, and judgment collide as Jason and Dee crown a winner and close the book on one of the great 80s movie matchups.

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