Today we’re trying something new on the show –  it’s a different kind of book review, where we have a healthy disagreement around the core arguments made in a recently released book.

The book is The Case for American Power by Shadi Hamid, a columnist for the Washington Post and host of the Wisdom of Crowds podcast. It’s a fascinating read – Shadi makes a case that you don’t hear very often: that America should be using its power for moral and humanitarian ends. It’s a broad-based appeal but also a specific appeal to those on the left who have become deeply skeptical and disillusioned with American power.

So to offer a critique we have brought on someone who is deeply skeptical of American power. Trita Parsi is an Iranian-Swedish-American political scientist, author, and foreign policy expert and is currently the Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

It’s a thought-provoking conversation and serves as an excellent follow-up to Shadi’s previous appearance on our show in April 2024, when he discussed American Power and the role that the United States should be playing on the global stage.

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The Guests

Shadi Hamid is the host of the Wisdom of Crowds podcast, a columnist at The Washington Post, and a senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. Previously, he was a longtime senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a contributing writer at The Atlantic. Hamid is the author of several books, including The Problem of Democracy and Islamic Exceptionalism: How the Struggle Over Islam is Reshaping the World.

Trita Parsi is the co-founder and executive vice president of the Quincy Institute. He is an award-winning author and the 2010 recipient of the Grawemeyer Award for Ideas Improving World Order. He is an expert on US-Iranian relations, Iranian foreign policy, and the geopolitics of the Middle East. He has authored four books on US foreign policy in the Middle East, with a particular focus on Iran and Israel. He has been named by the Washingtonian Magazine as one of the 25 most influential voices on foreign policy in Washington DC for five years in a row since 2021.

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