Rod and Lesley would be trying on each other's shoes in this episode if they were allowed to see each other. Instead, it is a phone call on perspectives and what you think other people would say. How can you do more of take the other person's perspective? Avoid assumptions. Be curious. Form hypotheses. Explore. Repeat.
Lesley points out that many of the concepts that have discussed relate to taking different perspectives. Trust the process, let go of being perfect, allow yourself to learn from others (growth mindset), and more.
Also in this episode, our first audio difficulty and the awkward moment of 'Rod, are you still there?'. all left for listeners to hear for the real life perspective of recording a podcast physically distanced :)