The Charlene Gisele Show

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The Charlene Gisele Show episodes

March 25Leadership Etiquette: How Modern Manners Shape Executive Presence
What does modern etiquette really mean in today’s high-pressure professional world? In this conversation, Alison shares how etiquette goes far beyond table manners and becomes a powerful tool for leadership, executive presence, networking, communication, and self-respect.
We explore how to stay composed under pressure, recover after losing your temper, navigate swearing in professional settings, and exit conversations gracefully at networking events. Alison also shares thoughtful advice on appearance, grooming, makeup, professionalism, and how to show up as your most polished and authentic self.
From big law to the White House, this episode is full of practical insights for ambitious professionals who want to lead with confidence, kindness, and composure.
Timestamps
00:00 Why etiquette matters for leadership
01:29 What modern etiquette really means
02:03 Work etiquette and executive presence
04:01 Anger, composure, and leadership under pressure
08:20 Is swearing always bad etiquette?
13:56 Networking etiquette, cocktails, and canapés
22:47 How to politely exit a conversation
28:32 How to join a group when you’re alone at an event
30:18 Female leadership, femininity, and authenticity
45:33 Lessons from briefing the president and traveling on Air Force One
What We Cover
The modern definition of etiquette
Executive presence and workplace perception
Leadership through composure, kindness, and respect
How to recover after losing your temper at work
Swearing and professionalism in office culture
Networking etiquette and how to mingle confidently
Graceful ways to exit or enter conversations
Etiquette around makeup, grooming, and personal style
Authenticity for women in high-powered careers
Lessons on calm, honesty, and perspective from high-stakes environments
Key Takeaways
Etiquette is less about perfection and more about kindness, integrity, and respect.
Executive presence is shaped by how you carry yourself, communicate, and treat others.
Composure under pressure is a leadership advantage at every level of an organization.
Owning mistakes clearly and sincerely can strengthen trust and reputation.
Swearing may be common, but restraint often elevates how others perceive you.
Strong networking is built on presence, clarity, and genuine attention.
Authenticity matters more than performing a version of success that is not yours.
Most situations feel urgent, but very few are true emergencies. Perspective changes everything.
Guest Resources
Alison’s Book about Career: https://elevateetiquette.com/book
Alison’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elevateetiquette/?hl=en
Alison’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-m-cheperdak-b0215141
Alison’s Website: https://elevateetiquette.com/about

Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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55 min
March 18Struggling to Sleep? A Sleep Doctor Explains Burnout, Anxiety & Insomnia
To mark World Sleep Day, we’re diving into one of the most important, and misunderstood, pillars of wellbeing: sleep.
Sleep is something we all need, yet for many high-performing professionals it becomes one of the hardest things to achieve.
In this episode, I’m joined by sleep physician Dr. Joshua Kovoor to explore the science of insomnia, why high achievers often struggle with sleep, and what actually helps restore a healthy relationship with rest.
Drawing from both clinical experience and personal stories of burnout and chronic insomnia, we unpack the hidden mechanisms behind sleepless nights, including sleep anxiety, cortisol dysregulation, sleep erosion, and the pressure to “try harder” to fall asleep.
Dr. Kovoor explains why sleep doesn’t respond to effort the way productivity does, and how the very traits that make someone successful can sometimes make sleep harder to access.
We also dive into the biology of sleep, including circadian rhythm, sleep pressure, cortisol patterns, REM sleep, and the common habits that quietly sabotage recovery, such as alcohol, late-night work, binge-watching, and digital overstimulation.
Most importantly, we explore practical ways to rebuild a healthier relationship with sleep, from wind-down routines and behavioral changes to relaxation techniques and lifestyle adjustments that support the body’s natural sleep systems.
If you’ve ever struggled with insomnia, burnout, or racing thoughts at night, this conversation will help you understand what’s really happening in your body, and how to start repairing your sleep in a sustainable way.
⚠️ Disclaimer:
The information shared in this episode is for educational purposes only and should not be considered medical advice. Please consult a qualified healthcare professional for personalized medical guidance.
Timestamps
0:00 – Introduction
3:15 – Charlene’s personal journey with chronic insomnia and burnout
7:40 – What clinically defines insomnia vs temporary sleep issues
12:20 – Why high performers and lawyers often struggle with sleep
18:30 – The concept of “sleep erosion” and modern productivity culture
26:10 – Circadian rhythm explained: light, cortisol, and biological clocks
36:45 – The “sleep pressure balloon”: how the body builds sleep drive
46:20 – Evening habits that sabotage sleep (alcohol, screens, work stress)
57:50 – Wind-down routines, relaxation techniques, and better sleep habits
1:10:30 – Final insights and how to work with Dr. Joshua Kovoor
What We Cover
The difference between acute insomnia and chronic insomnia
Why high achievers often develop sleep problems
How sleep anxiety and effort can worsen insomnia
The science of circadian rhythm and melatonin
What “sleep pressure” is and how it builds throughout the day
How cortisol dysregulation affects sleep
Why alcohol and binge-watching disrupt sleep architecture
The role of routines and wind-down rituals
Practical strategies to rebuild a healthy relationship with sleep
Key Takeaways
Sleep cannot be forced, it emerges when effort is reduced.
Chronic insomnia often develops after prolonged sleep deprivation.
Circadian rhythm and sleep pressure work together to regulate sleep.
Anxiety and stress hormones like cortisol can disrupt sleep onset.
Alcohol may sedate initially but fragments REM sleep.
Consistent wind-down routines help the brain transition into sleep.
Small behavioral changes can dramatically improve sleep quality.
Understanding sleep biology empowers better recovery and performance.
Guest Resources
Dr. Joshua Kovoor
Website: joshuakovoor.com
LinkedIn: https://au.linkedin.com/in/joshua-kovoor-166942225
Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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Struggling to fall asleep? 🌙
Listen to this episode — “Guided Sleep Meditation: A Relaxing Walk Through Meadows and Moonlight” — and let your mind gently unwind, release the day, and drift into deep, peaceful sleep.
https://charlenegisele.com/podcast/guided-sleep-meditation-a-relaxing-walk-through-meadows-and-moonlight/

If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone navigating burnout, insomnia, or high-pressure careers.
1 hr 18 min
March 11Women in Law: Partnership & Motherhood: How to Succeed in Law & Life
In this International Women’s Day special, we’re celebrating leadership, resilience, and the realities of building a high-performing career while raising a family.
In this episode, I’m joined by Olivia Ngan, partner at Sidley Austin in Hong Kong, to talk about navigating motherhood, ambition, and leadership in one of the world’s most demanding professions.
Olivia’s story is remarkable. She had three pregnancies and three promotions, including a promotion to counsel after returning from maternity leave with four children under five. Throughout our conversation, she shares how resilience, strong support networks, and a positive mindset helped her navigate high-stakes deals, family responsibilities, and leadership at a global law firm.
We talk about why work-life balance is often unrealistic, and why work-life integration or “fusion” is a more accurate way to think about modern leadership and family life. Olivia also shares her non-negotiables for wellbeing, how she maintains high performance under pressure, and the mindset shifts that help her reframe challenges rather than being overwhelmed by them.
This conversation is a powerful reminder, especially on International Women’s Day, that leadership doesn’t have one path, and that ambition, family, and resilience can coexist.
If you’re a lawyer, executive, founder, or working parent navigating career growth and family life, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on priorities, resilience, and redefining success on your own terms.
Timestamps
0:00 – Introduction
2:01 – Olivia’s international career journey into law
5:20 – Becoming a mother while building a demanding legal career
10:02 – Four kids under five: navigating family and promotions
15:30 – Why motherhood doesn’t have to limit career progression
17:07 – Non-negotiables for wellbeing, parenting, and leadership
22:28 – Leadership advice for women pursuing partnership
29:08 – Work-life balance vs work-life integration
36:12 – Cultural differences across global legal careers
47:45 – Resilience: failing, standing up, and growing stronger
What We Cover
How Olivia navigated three pregnancies and three promotions
Why support networks are essential for working parents
The concept of work-life integration instead of work-life balance
How resilience helps leaders navigate pressure and setbacks
Why building a career is a long game of trust and consistency
The mindset shift that helps high performers reframe challenges
Why leadership should be judged on merit, not gender
The importance of role modeling work ethic for the next generation
How fitness, routine, and discipline support long-term success
Key Takeaways
Resilience is built through falling down and getting back up repeatedly.
Career growth and family life are not mutually exclusive.
A strong support network is essential to sustain high performance.
Work-life balance is often unrealistic; work-life integration is more practical.
Leadership should be measured by merit and contribution, not circumstance.
Showing children strong work ethic can be as powerful as being present.
Positive reframing helps leaders stay focused during difficult moments.
Success is a long-term game of consistency, trust, and dedication.
Guest Resources
Olivia Ngan – Sidley Austin Profile
https://www.sidley.com/en/people/n/ngan-olivia
Olivia Ngan on LinkedIn
https://hk.linkedin.com/in/olivia-ngan-b5281325
Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone navigating leadership, parenthood, and ambition at the same time.
59 min
March 04Presentation Skills, Public Speaking & Media Training for Leaders in the AI Era with Martine Croxall + Neil Midgley
What really sets humans apart in the age of AI? Presence.
In this episode, I’m joined by Martine Croxall (BBC presenter) and Neil Midgley (former lawyer-turned-journalist & media trainer) to unpack why communication isn’t a “soft skill” at all, it’s an essential skill for leaders who want to influence, persuade, and build a personal brand that actually feels real.
We talk about media training vs presentation skills, the biggest communication faux pas (hello jargon + “delighted to announce…”), and why every interview or public appearance is an exchange of commercial value. You’ll also hear how to stay truthful without oversharing, how to avoid sounding scripted in the social media era, and how to show up as an amplified version of your “resting state self”, confident, warm, and credible.
If you’re a lawyer, exec, founder, or leader who’s ever thought “I’m not a natural speaker” or “I just want to be authentic,” this episode will give you a practical framework (and a few laughs) to show up better, on stage, on podcasts, on panels, and in the room.
Timestamps
0:00 – Introduction
2:27 – The AI era: why “presence” is the real differentiator
9:20 – Traits Martin sees in female leaders + transferable confidence
13:45 – Personal brand today: authenticity that isn’t performative
16:19 – “Amplify your resting state self” (authentic vs “media-trained”)
21:46 – Media training vs presentation skills: what each actually covers
28:05 – Biggest communication faux pas: jargon, no purpose, no stories
31:12 – Every interview is an exchange of commercial value
57:11 – Death by PowerPoint: why dense slides dilute your impact
1:16:02 – How to measure if your speaking is “working” + getting real feedback
What we cover
Why presence becomes the differentiator as AI automates technical tasks
The difference between media training (answering questions) and presentation skills (speaking on your feet)
The communication framework: audience, purpose, and one key message
How to build a personal brand that’s true to you, not a performance
Why clarity beats jargon when you want your message to travel
Print interview strategy: the 8 quotes + 10-word headline approach
The biggest presentation trap: slides as scripts and “death by PowerPoint”
Why audiences disengage when they sense manufactured emotion
How to use warmth, humor, and playfulness appropriately to connect

Key takeaways
Communication is not “soft.” It’s an essential leadership skill, especially in the AI era.
The goal isn’t to become someone else, it’s to be a bigger, better version of you.
Authenticity isn’t oversharing. You can be truthful while staying within professional and legal guardrails.
Every public appearance is an exchange of value, know what value you want before you say yes.
Start answers with the point, not the preamble. Attention is a two-second decision now.
If your slides work as handouts, they’re probably too dense to support great delivery.
When audiences smell fakery, they tune out, online and on stage.
Guest Resources
Upstage Training: https://upstagetraining.com
Martine Croxall on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themartinecroxall/?hl=en
Martine Croxall on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martine-croxall-b0988a5/
Neil Midgley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neil-midgley/
Lift Your Voice, Power Your Ambition: https://www.upstagetraining.com/2026

Connect with Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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If this episode resonated with you, share it with a high-performing leader who’s brilliant at what they do — but knows their message deserves to land more powerfully.
1 hr 27 min
February 27Inside an Orchestra Conductor’s Mind: Overcoming Perfectionism, Performance Anxiety & Making Music
What makes someone musical, talent, training, or timing?

In this episode, Raffaello Morales (conductor, pianist, and founder of Fidelio Café & Live Music Restaurant Farringdon) joins me for a conversation that reshaped how I think about musicality, performance, and the pressure baked into the classical music world.
We talk about the nature vs nurture debate (especially through the lens of childhood and parenting), why the “right teacher at the right time” can change a life, and why Raffaello believes music isn’t about perfection, it’s about connection.
We also go into a side of the industry most people don’t see: oversupply, shrinking audiences, intense competition, and the anxiety that follows musicians everywhere.
Finally, we explore how Raffaello brought music into food through Fidelio, creating a space where music belongs back in everyday life, not locked behind elitism, silence, and strict rules.

Timestamps
0:00 – Intro: nature vs nurture + what musicality really is
2:34 – Childhood dreams, identity, and why music can’t be “everything”
8:30 – Parenting, exposure, and whether a child can develop an ear
10:19 – The “right teacher at the right time” and how paths shift
20:15 – First instrument, early training, and stage anxiety
24:20 – “Music isn’t about perfection”, what matters more
33:18 – Why conducting can feel easier than playing
37:55 – What happens if the conductor isn’t there?
42:01 – Music as wellbeing vs music as a profession full of anxiety
54:39 – Fidelio: combining music + food to bring art back to normal life

What We Cover
Nature vs nurture in musicality (and what shapes it early on)
Why teacher timing and guidance can change everything
Music as connection, not perfection
What a conductor actually does (tempo + expressive meaning)
The anxiety behind classical music as a career
Oversupply of musicians + shrinking audiences (and how that creates pressure)
Why the industry is becoming “either huge or invisible”
How Fidelio blends music, food, and real-life atmosphere
Leadership lessons: vision, people, and knowing when to speak (or stay quiet)
Key Takeaways
Musicality is rarely “just talent”, it’s exposure + guidance + timing.
Perfection is not the point; connection is.
A conductor is the human layer between notes and meaning: tempo + expression.
The anxiety many musicians carry isn’t personal, it’s structural.
Music becomes more powerful when it’s reconnected to everyday life and community.
Building something meaningful requires people, trust, and restraint, not just opinion.
Resources
Fidelio Café (London): https://fidelio.cafe/
Raffaello’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/raffomorales/?hl=en
Fidelio Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wearefidelio/
Raffaello’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raffaello-morales-85b455213/
Order Raffaello’s Book: The Earth of the Skies
Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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If this episode resonated, share it with someone who loves music, but has forgotten it’s meant to feel human.
1 hr 11 min
February 19Fertility for Type A Women: IVF, Burnout & Egg Quality with Dr. Natalie Crawford
What happens when a high-achieving woman hits her mid-to-late 30s, wants a baby more than anything… and realizes nobody ever taught her how fertility actually works?
In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Natalie Crawford, board-certified in OBGYN and Reproductive Endocrinology & Infertility, and co-founder of Fora Fertility in Austin, Texas. We talk directly to the “Stephanie” archetype: the brilliant, driven, time-poor, high-performing woman who’s crushing her career… and now feels like fertility is the one thing she can’t outwork.
We cover what to do before jumping into IVF, how to think about genetic testing, how many IVF rounds are “safe,” and the emotional reality of the two-week wait (and why you shouldn’t go through it alone). Dr. Crawford also breaks down the science of stress, inflammation, and insulin resistance, without the dismissive “just relax” narrative.
If you’re trying to conceive, considering IVF, navigating pregnancy loss, or planning baby #2 in your 40s, this conversation will give you data, clarity, and a calmer way to make decisions.
Timestamps
0:00 – Why fertility planning matters for high-achieving women
5:18 – IVF at 38: should you fast-track or gather data first?
10:42 – Family goals (1 vs 3 kids) and why strategy changes
15:27 – Genetic testing: benefits, limits, and embryo expectations
21:08 – IVF rounds, safety, and clinic age cutoffs
28:54 – The emotional weight of the two-week wait
34:36 – Chronic stress, cortisol, and egg quality
41:22 – Support systems: therapy, hypnotherapy, acupuncture, community
48:03 – Planning baby #2 in your 40s + embryo banking
54:10 – Who The Fertility Formula is for + pre-order bonuses
What We Cover
Fertility planning for high-achieving women with low time and high stress
What to test before IVF: ovarian reserve, anatomy, semen analysis, cycle tracking
IVF vs trying naturally at 38+: how to choose based on your family goal
Genetic testing (PGT-A): pros, limitations, and decision-making benefits
How many IVF rounds are safe + why “caps” aren’t one-size-fits-all
The two-week wait, infertility grief, and reducing isolation
Stress physiology: inflammation, glucose, insulin resistance, and egg/sperm quality
Planning postpartum IVF/embryo banking for baby #2 in your 40s
Key Takeaways
Your plan should reflect your family goal (one child vs multiple), not just “get pregnant now.”
Data first: you can’t make good fertility decisions without testing and cycle awareness.
Genetic testing can reduce time, cost, and heartbreak by prioritizing embryos with higher potential.
Chronic stress has real biological effects, support and recovery time aren’t optional add-ons.
If you want baby #2 in your 40s, embryo banking can keep the door open while you recover postpartum.
Connect With Natalie
Website: https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com/about
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NatalieCrawfordMD
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nataliecrawfordmd/?hl=en
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-crawford-md
Pre-order Natalie’s “The Fertility Formula Book”: https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com/book
Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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📖Read Your Fertility-Ready Home
58 min
February 11From Magic Circle Lawyer to The Royal College of Art: Pursuing Passions Without Burnout
What happens when a high-achieving lawyer walks away from billable hours… and into a painting studio?
In this episode, James Nepaulsingh shares his journey from working in high-pressure law to studying an MA in Painting at the Royal College of Art, and what it really feels like to rebuild your identity when your entire sense of worth has been tied to productivity, achievement, and external validation.
We talk about success addiction, workaholism, the brutal vulnerability of making art, and why painting isn’t always “healing”, sometimes it’s straight-up torturous. James opens up about perfectionism, criticism, flow state, synesthesia, and the surprising emotional cost of becoming an artist after building a career in one of the most demanding industries in the world.
Timestamps
0:00 – Intro
2:12 – Productivity identity + billable-hour PTSD
6:12 – Stigma in the art world: “lawyer with a hobby”
11:33 – RCA critiques, unlearning, and why painting feels torturous
14:33 – Family reactions + redefining identity
20:20 – Art as self-reflection (and what law suppresses)
23:34 – Burnout culture, overwork, and death in law
38:44 – Synesthesia, music, and how James experiences art
46:10 – Imperfection as rebellion against perfectionism
54:28 – Flow state, time distortion, and reduced anxiety
What We Cover
Leaving a successful legal career to pursue art full-time
Success addiction, overachiever patterns, and external validation
Identity loss after stepping away from Big Law productivity
Why painting can feel like therapy and emotional torture
Synesthesia, sensory creativity, and hearing/seeing color
Burnout culture in law firms and the cost of overwork
Flow state, time distortion, and how creativity impacts anxiety
Key Takeaways
Achievement can become an addiction, even when it looks like “success.”
Creativity isn’t always calming, sometimes it’s physically and emotionally brutal.
Productivity isn’t the same as purpose, and stepping away can feel destabilizing.
The artist's identity is built through struggle, not certainty.
Perfectionism can be unlearned by embracing imperfection on purpose.
Financial discipline creates freedom and options later in life.
Flow state is real, and it can be one of the most powerful anti-anxiety tools.

Connect With James
📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nepopublic/
Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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If this episode resonated, share it with someone who’s quietly burning out behind a “successful” career.
1 hr 9 min
February 04Preventing Burnout Through Cycle Syncing for High-Achieving Women with Renae Fieck
If you’ve ever had one week where you’re unstoppable… and another where everything feels heavier, this conversation will change how you see your calendar. In this episode, Renae Fieck breaks down cycle syncing (and cyclical living), why ovulation is the “queen” of the cycle, and how to align your work, workouts, food, and sleep with your natural rhythms, without letting your cycle limit your ambitions.
Timestamps
0:00 – Introduction
4:05 – Cycle tracking vs syncing vs charting (and why it matters)
8:26 – Biggest misconception: your period isn’t the “main event”—ovulation is
11:32 – Menstrual phase: energy, iron, rest, and vision-setting
18:55 – Follicular phase: momentum, productivity, workouts, and “get it done” energy
19:59 – Ovulation: confidence, communication, visibility, and pitching/asking
21:46 – Luteal phase: detail work, admin, emotional depth, and turning inward
23:39 – Sleep changes across the month (and why luteal + menstrual can be harder)
25:42 – Cravings, carbs, iron, and planning date nights around nourishment
33:16 – When life doesn’t sync: races, board meetings, and performing on “low” weeks
What We Cover
Why women’s hormones operate on a monthly rhythm (vs a 24-hour rhythm)
The 4 phases of the cycle and how they can affect energy, mood, and focus
Practical ways to match work outputs to each phase (creative, social, admin, strategy)
Training and performance: when to push, when to recover, and how to stay consistent
Sleep patterns, vivid dreams, and what helps during tougher sleep phases
Food rhythms: warming vs fresh foods, carbs, iron, and listening to cravings
How to handle real life: big meetings or events that land on your hardest days
Cycle syncing on hormonal contraception + using the moon cycle as a rhythm
Key Takeaways
Ovulation drives the cycle, your period follows what ovulation is doing.
The goal isn’t perfection; it’s awareness + support, so you stop blaming yourself.
“Low” phases still have strengths: intuition (menstrual) and emotional/detail power (luteal).
Sleep often needs more protection in luteal and menstrual phases—plan accordingly.
Cravings can be information (iron, magnesium, hydration)—not a character flaw.
Cycle syncing should be a flexible framework, not another rigid system to “get right.”
Guest Resources
Website: https://cyclesyncyourbusiness.com/
Free Audiobook (Cycle Sync Your Business): https://renae-fieck.mykajabi.com/offers/BFXdXMLG/checkout?preview=true
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/renaefieck/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/risingmoms
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RenaeFieck
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@renaefieck
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/renaefieck/
Connect With Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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If this episode resonated, share it with a high-achieving woman who’s doing “everything right” but still feels like her energy is unpredictable.
1 hr 1 min
January 28Human-in-the-Loop Isn’t Optional: The Real Future of AI in Law with Sam Dixon
What happens when a traditional profession meets generative AI, and now agentic AI? In this episode, I’m joined by Sam Dixon (Chief Innovation Officer) to unpack how law firms can adopt GenAI responsibly, train teams to critically evaluate outputs, and use AI to deliver more value, without burning out in the process.
We cover what GenAI is (and isn’t), why humans must stay in the loop, how to overcome resistance to change, the reality of “hallucinations,” and what the next phase, agentic AI, could mean for legal research, negotiation simulation, and early-talent development.
Timestamps
0:00 – Intro
1:39 – Sam’s role as Chief Innovation Officer & how he defines innovation
5:29 – Getting partners to embrace change (and what actually works)
8:39 – Why GenAI adoption is different from past legal tech waves
10:26 – Explaining AI to senior leaders (without the jargon)
14:49 – “Human in the loop” + the risks of over-trusting AI
19:26 – GenAI vs Agentic AI: what changes, and why it matters
22:46 – New lawyers, verification skills, and “AI makes people lazy?”
33:11 – Simulation: negotiation practice, interviews & training with GenAI
47:02 – AI & well-being: tool or threat?
What we cover
The real job of innovation inside a law firm
How to get buy-in from busy, skeptical stakeholders
The difference between AI, ML, GenAI, and Agentic AI
Why hallucinations are misunderstood, and why that matters
Guardrails: verification, accountability, and client expectations
The future of training: simulations for negotiation, interviews, and client conversations
AI and burnout: productivity vs cognitive load and recovery
Key takeaways
Innovation isn’t just tech, sometimes it’s removing a step entirely.
GenAI adoption is faster because users can get value immediately, unlike tools that require heavy setup.
Agentic AI adds value through multi-step planning, not just answering prompts.
“Hallucinations” aren’t a rare bug, GenAI always generates probabilistically; the key is how you manage risk.
The winning model is human + AI, where each catches different kinds of errors.
As outputs become “more accurate,” verification discipline becomes even more critical, not less.
AI may improve efficiency, but well-being depends on how work is redesigned, not just sped up.
Guest Resources
Sam Dixon’s Legal Firm: https://www.womblebonddickinson.com/uk/people/sam-dixon
Sam Dixon’s LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/innovationinlaw

Connect with Me
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
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1 hr
January 21Hidden Toxins in Makeup & Cookware: What the Beauty Industry Isn’t Telling You with Ashley Deeley
In this eye-opening clean health episode, I sit down with Ashley Deeley, clean beauty expert and wellness educator, to uncover the hidden toxins quietly impacting our skin, hormones, thyroid, and overall wellbeing, often without us realizing it.
From exposing where heavy metals, forever chemicals, and endocrine disruptors hide in everyday products to explaining how “natural,” “fragrance,” and “long-lasting” labels can be misleading, Ashley breaks down how modern living is contributing to inflammation, fatigue, skin issues, and hormonal imbalance.
Whether you’re a high-performing professional dealing with unexplained exhaustion, someone struggling with thyroid or skin concerns, or simply trying to make healthier choices without extremes, this conversation will completely change how you think about your bathroom, bedroom, and kitchen.
Ashley doesn’t promote perfection, she teaches practical, realistic upgrades that protect your health without adding stress.
What we cover:
Why “clean beauty” is about what you remove, not what you add
How forever chemicals hide in makeup, floss, and waterproof products
The connection between fragrance, hormones, and thyroid disruption
Why many anti-aging products actually accelerate aging
Heavy metals in cookware, glassware, and kitchen appliances
What to know about mattresses, bedding, and fire retardants
How synthetic dyes affect skin and immune function
Why detergents and cleaning products matter more than you think
Travel hacks to reduce toxic exposure on the road
How to read labels without needing a chemistry degree
Small, realistic changes that make the biggest impact over time

Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
06:00 - Forever chemicals explained: where they hide in beauty & daily products
14:00 - Bedding, mattresses & fire retardants: what you’re breathing at night
22:00 - Cookware, slow cookers & air fryers: hidden lead and heavy metals
31:00 - Daily exposure overload: detergents, fragrance & “natural” marketing traps
40:00 - Skincare myths: retinol, vitamin C, collagen & what actually works
50:00 - Botox, anti-aging & safer alternatives for skin health
57:00 - Thyroid health, blue light & hormone disruption
1:03:00 - Travel hacks: reducing toxin exposure on the road
1:07:30 - Final takeaways: small upgrades that make a big difference
Key Takeaways:
For High-Performers: You can’t outwork environmental stress. Hidden toxins quietly drain energy, disrupt hormones, and slow recovery, even when your habits look “healthy.”
For Thyroid & Hormone Health: Everyday products can interfere with endocrine function. Reducing exposure often matters more than what you add.
For Skin & Aging: What you put on your skin matters just as much as what you eat. Clean ingredients support regeneration; synthetic ones can accelerate inflammation and aging.
For Sustainable Wellness: Health isn’t about doing everything, it’s about removing what doesn’t belong and upgrading gradually.
Ashley doesn’t just talk about clean beauty, she provides a grounded framework for creating a healthier environment that supports long-term energy, sleep, and resilience.
Guest Resources:
🌿 Ashley Deeley’s Website: https://www.ashleydeeley.com/
▶️ Ashley Deeley on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ashleydeeley
📱My Home Ready Fertility E-Book: https://charlenegisele.com/your-fertility-ready-home/

Connect with Me:
🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/
1 hr 15 min

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