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The China Project’s pivot to B2B and subscriptions


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On this week’s episode of The Rebooting Show, Bob Guterma, CEO of The China Project, to discuss how to maintain credibility while catching flack from many sides, The China Project’s decision to leave Substack, adopting a subscription-first model and its crowdfunding efforts to raise capital from its audience.  


  • For seven years, The China Projectcalled SupChina until July 2022 – has aimed to act as a bridge for the outside world to understand China. “It's literally 5x the number of people in America. In some ways, you could say [China] is more dynamic. Their historical trajectory is so fast that there are simultaneously people living the same as they did 150 years ago, and there are people living in the Jetsons – all in the same country.
  • That task that’s grown more complicated in recent years as tensions have risen between the US and China. That’s ensnared The China Project in political hot water, with a group of hawkish senators saying it is a tool of Chinese influence and the Chinese government banning it. Guterma has described The China Project as “neither pro-China or anti-China” and its mission as “helping the world understand China better, more contextually, and with greater care, so that better decisions can be made.”
  • The China Project moved off Substack, which is oriented more to single writer projects than full-fledged media properties. “There are ways to customize Substack as you go along, but it's really built around this one experience of a paid newsletter. We were already, and just only became more and more as time went on, not just a newsletter.”


  • The China Project has multiple revenue streams, including ads, events and consulting, but it aims to be a subscription-first publisher. The China Project sells subscriptions from $120 for an individual up to $5,000 per year for database products. It made this shift with a changed focus on a B2B audience, which is more likely to pay for subscriptions than regular people simply curious about China. “As much as I think China is the biggest story of our times, most people aren't sitting at home thinking about how to cultivate better knowledge of China, and they're certainly not sitting at home ready to spend money on that.”


  • The era of venture-funded publishing is mostly over, but new avenues are emerging, such as RegCF, which allows companies to use crowdfunding to raise up to $5 million over the course of 12 months. The China Project raised $1.6 million two years ago and is near $1 million in a second round. The China Project has raised nearly $10 million over the years. That incremental approach is preferable to big upfront funding, in Bob’s view: “Raising $50 million before you've done anything almost guarantees your irrelevance.”



More perspective:


  • Semafor did a deep a piece on The China Project that highlights the criticisms leveled at it in a whistleblower complaint that alleges it slants coverage to favor Chinese interests. (Bob dismisses this coverage as innuendo and cover for Semafor’s own indirect ties to the Chinese government through a partnership with a Chinese think tank.) 


  • The China Project published a lengthy rebuttal, claiming it is “a target of racist, populist, anti-China sentiment.”


  • Unlike most small publishers, The China Project has published an annual report as part of its earlier crowdfunding capital raise





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