John talks with Mark Elsdon, pastor, entrepreneur, author, and a fellow religious worker on the campus of UW-Madison. Mark discusses his life and his new book, We Aren’t Broke: Uncovering Hidden Resources for Mission and Ministry (Eerdmans, 2021).

Mark is the Executive Director at Pres House, Co-Founder of RootedGood, and owner of Elsdon Strategic Consulting. He is also president of the board of directors for Working Capital for Community Needs, based in Madison to provide micro-finance for the working poor in Latin America.

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Credits: music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Andy Johnson, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.