In Part Two of Clint’s conversation with Julian Treasure – award-winning author of “How to be Heard” and internationally recognized expert on listening, speaking, and the impact of sound – Julian explains why listening is a skill that can be learned, practiced, and mastered. He explores the modern listening crisis, why verbal communication is declining, how leaders can become better listeners, and the communication habits that strengthen relationships, reduce conflict, and build trust.

This is the second part of a two-part conversation. 

Topics Covered:

• Why listening is hearing + attention
• The global cost of poor listening and miscommunication
• Why listening should be taught in schools
• How texting and technology are changing communication
• The three types of listening: inner, created, and external listening
• Managing your inner critic and developing self-awareness
• The importance of listening in leadership and team development
• Julian's RASA framework for effective listening
• Why “Tell me more” is one of the most powerful phrases in communication
• The four “leeches” of communication: fixing, people-pleasing, looking good, and being right
• How to navigate disagreement using the PAVE framework
• HAIL: the four foundations of powerful speaking (Honesty, Authenticity, Integrity, and Love)
• Why great speakers must first become great listeners
• Lessons from Julian's latest book, “Sound Affects”
• Julian's mission to regenerate the world's listening
  
  

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Links:Julian’s website - https://www.juliantreasure.com/ 
Julian’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliantreasure/ 
Julian’s book, “How to be Heard” - https://amzn.to/4xOJeHu 
Julian’s book, “Sound Affects” - https://amzn.to/46ajyJq 
The Listening Society - https://bit.ly/4g1rQJy

In Part Two of Clint’s conversation with Julie Newman, aerospace engineer and author of “Pull Don’t Push,” Julie explains why asking better questions can open entirely new career possibilities. She shares how parents, educators, and leaders can help young people discover engineering by connecting them to meaningful problems, not just job titles. Along the way, she challenges common misconceptions about engineering, discusses the surprising role of creativity and storytelling, and offers practical advice for inspiring the next generation. This is the second part of a two-part conversation.

Topics Covered:

• Why "What problems do you want to solve?" is a better question than "What are you passionate about?"
• How engineering creates opportunities to make a meaningful impact on the world
• The surprising career advantages of engineering, including earning potential, stability, and work-life balance
• Why creativity, not just math, is one of the defining characteristics of great engineers
• The unforgettable story of how NASA landed a Mars rover with a giant inflatable "bouncy ball"
• Why stories are more powerful than statistics when inspiring future engineers
• Common myths about math ability and why they discourage too many students from considering engineering
• Practical advice for parents, educators, and STEM advocates on creating outreach that truly inspires
• The free tools and resources Julie has developed to help improve STEM outreach efforts

Links:

• Julie’s website - https://juliejnewman.com/ 
• Julie’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-j-newman/ 
• Julie’s book, “Pull Don’t Push” - https://amzn.to/4q7vcxW 

In this episode, Clint sits down with Julie Newman, accomplished aerospace engineer and bestselling author of “Pull Don’t Push,” to discuss why decades of well-intentioned efforts to encourage more girls into STEM haven't produced the results many hoped for. Julie argues that the problem isn't a lack of encouragement, it's the way we're communicating about engineering. Together, they explore how engineering is often misunderstood, why creativity and communication are essential engineering skills, and how leaders, parents, and educators can inspire young people by focusing on possibility instead of obstacles. This is the first part of a two-part conversation.

Topics Covered:

• Why traditional STEM messaging often misses the mark
• The difference between "pushing" someone toward a career and "pulling" them toward a possibility
• How Julie's career at SpaceX, NASA, Boeing, and Impulse Space shaped her perspective on leadership and engineering
• Why engineering is fundamentally about creativity, teamwork, communication, and solving problems
• The biggest misconceptions people have about engineers and engineering careers
• Why communication skills can be a competitive advantage for engineers
• How parents and educators can better introduce engineering to young people
• Why engineering deserves a bigger role in the STEM conversation
• What business leaders can learn about influence from the way we talk about careers
  
  

Links:

• Julie’s website - https://juliejnewman.com/ 
• Julie’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-j-newman/ 
• Julie’s book, “Pull Don’t Push” - https://amzn.to/4q7vcxW 

In Part Two of Clint’s conversation with Scott Mautz, former Procter & Gamble senior executive and bestselling author of “Leading from the Middle,” Scott shares practical strategies for building trust, creating accountability, leading through uncertainty, and influencing others without formal authority. From managing remote teams to helping people embrace smart risks, he explains how leaders can create stronger teams, navigate pressure, and drive meaningful change from the middle of an organization. This is the second part of a two-part conversation.

Topics Covered:

• Why great leaders assist success instead of avoiding failure
• How to earn commitment instead of simple compliance
• Building a culture of accountability that actually works
• Why managers should clearly define the "rules of risk-taking"
• Turning setbacks and crises into opportunities for growth
• Creating purpose-driven teams that stay aligned
• Managing pressure without passing it down to your team
• Leading remote and hybrid teams with stronger communication
• Why overcommunicating is essential in today's workplace
• How to influence peers when you have no formal authority
• Practical strategies for leading change from the middle
• Creating your own Middle Action Plan (MAP) for leadership growth 

Links:Scott’s website - https://scottmautz.com/ 
Scott’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottmautz/ 
Scott’s book, “Leading from the Middle” - https://amzn.to/4vDWZaj

In this episode, Clint sits down with Scott Mautz, former Procter & Gamble senior executive and bestselling author of “Leading from the Middle,” to talk about why middle managers are some of the most influential (and most overlooked!) leaders in any organization.

Scott shares the research behind why leading from the middle is uniquely challenging, why it often feels "messy," and how managers can successfully influence up, down, and across without relying on formal authority. 

This is the first part of a two-part conversation.

Topics Covered:
Why the middle of an organization is often the most stressful place to lead
The surprising research on why great middle managers drive better business results
The "messy middle" and the unique challenges of leading in every direction
How successful leaders reframe the role of middle management
Why influence matters more than authority
Managing constant role changes and competing priorities
Lessons from LEGO on navigating leadership contradictions
Why middle managers are often the best drivers of organizational change
The Karasek model and balancing responsibility with decision-making authority
What it means to be an "intrapreneur" inside your organization
Others-oriented leadership vs. servant leadership
Why affirmation is one of the most powerful tools a leader can use

Links:
Scott’s website - https://scottmautz.com/
Scott’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottmautz/
Scott’s book, “Leading from the Middle” - https://amzn.to/4vDWZaj

In Part Two of Clint’s conversation with Ryan Hawk, host of “The Learning Leader Show” and author of “The Price of Becoming,” Ryan talks about the daily habits, disciplines, and mindset shifts that separate good leaders from great ones. F

rom protecting time for deep work and building intentional cultures to mentoring others, giving feedback, and staying fully present with the people who matter most, this conversation is packed with practical leadership advice you can apply immediately.

This is the second part of a two-part conversation.

Topics Covered:

• Why deep work is becoming a competitive advantage
• Building focus in a world full of distractions
• The importance of presence, attention, and intentional communication
• Creating healthy morning routines that set the tone for leadership
• Balancing ambition, work, and family
• Defining culture through behaviors, not slogans
• Building strong cultures in remote and hybrid organizations
• Escaping zero-sum thinking and adopting an abundance mindset
• Identifying "givers" during the hiring process
• Why bad news only gets worse with time
• Running meetings that create value instead of wasting time
• The power of handwritten notes, reflection, and continuous learning

Links:

• Ryan’s website - https://learningleader.com/ 
• Ryan’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanhawk12/ 
• Ryan’s book, “The Price of Becoming” - https://amzn.to/4piQs3k

In this episode, Clint sits down with Ryan Hawk, host of The Learning Leader Show and author of “The Price of Becoming” and “Welcome to Management,” to discuss one of the biggest challenges in leadership: making the transition from top performer to effective leader.

Ryan shares practical lessons on self-awareness, curiosity, mentorship, feedback, and intentional leadership, drawing from hundreds of conversations with world-class leaders and his own experience leading teams. If you've recently stepped into management, or aspire to, this conversation offers a roadmap for becoming the kind of leader people want to follow.

This is the first part of a two-part conversation.

Topics Covered:

• Why leadership begins with leading yourself
• The difficult transition from individual contributor to manager
• Building greater self-awareness through honest feedback
• Why every leader needs "truth tellers" in their life
• How to receive criticism without becoming defensive
• Developing curiosity as a leadership superpower
• The difference between managing people and genuinely caring about them
• Creating meaningful relationships with your team
• Why thoughtfulness and intentionality drive sustained excellence
• Learning from both successes and failures through after-action reviews
• Finding mentors and writing cold outreach emails that actually get responses
• The difference between a mentor and a coach

Links:

• Ryan’s website - https://learningleader.com/ 
• Ryan’s LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanhawk12/ 
• Ryan’s book, “The Price of Becoming” - https://amzn.to/4piQs3k