This week on Policy, Guns and Money, Michael Shoebridge talks to Dr. Marcus Hellyer about his latest report "The cost of Defence - Part 2". They examine the recent government budget announcements and how they align with the 2020 Defence Strategic Update.

Leanne Close, Head of ASPI’s Counterterrorism Program, explores the trends of counterterrorism throughout Covid-19 in light of the recent attack in France, in conversation with The Strategist’s Brendan Nicholson.

Also in this episode, John Coyne, Head of ASPI’s Policing Program, talks to Vern White, former Canadian Senator and Police Commissioner about the impact of Covid-19 on social licence and policing and the lessons learned in Victoria.

Referenced in this episode:

The Cost of Defence:

- Part 1: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/cost-defence-2020-2021-part-1-aspi-2020-strategic-update-brief

- Part 2: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/cost-defence-2020-2021-part-2-aspi-defence-budget-brief

Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge

Dr. Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer

Leanne Close: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/leanne-close

Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson

John Coyne: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/john-coyne

Vern White: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/vern-white

Background music: "Average" by Dramatic - via the You Tube Audio Library.