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What does it take for behavior analysts to make a real impact in classrooms—not just on paper, but in the day-to-day reality teachers face?

In this episode, Dr. Paulie sits down with Neelima Duncan, CEO of Blue Sky Behavior Therapy, an organization that provides clinical services and partners directly with schools to support educators and students. The conversation grew out of a leadership moment that caught Dr. Paulie’s attention—staff speaking about their CEO with pride, respect, and ownership. That kind of culture doesn’t happen by accident. It reflects leadership that shows up in behavior.

From there, the discussion moves into the heart of the work: how behavior analysts can effectively consult in classrooms, support teachers without overwhelming them, and help schools build systems that actually improve student outcomes.

This is a practical conversation about the intersection of ABA, education, and leadership—where technical knowledge meets real-world constraints.

In This Episode, You’ll Learn

• How Blue Sky Behavior Therapy partners with schools to support classroom success
• Why the effectiveness of a leader—or a consultant—is reflected in the behavior of the people they support
• What behavior analysts must understand about classroom realities before recommending interventions
• How to work with teachers as partners rather than positioning yourself as the outside expert
• Why simple, practical strategies that produce quick wins drive implementation
• How strong leadership inside organizations translates into better support for schools and students

Key Themes

Leadership You Can See
The true measure of leadership is found in how staff behave, speak, and engage when the leader isn’t in the room.

Consultation That Builds Capacity
The goal is not to create dependence on the behavior analyst. The goal is to help teachers feel confident, capable, and successful managing their own classrooms.

Context Drives Implementation
Interventions only work when they fit the time, demands, and pressures teachers are already navigating.

Behavior Is the Common Language
Whether you are a teacher, a school leader, or a CEO, performance, culture, and outcomes all come back to behavior and the contingencies shaping it.

About the Guest

Neelima Duncan is the founder and CEO of Blue Sky Behavior Therapy, an organization providing ABA services across clinic and school settings. Blue Sky partners with educators to deliver practical, classroom-based behavioral support while building systems that improve outcomes for both students and staff.
Website: blueskybx.com

Who Should Listen

• School-based BCBAs and behavior specialists
• Special education directors and district leaders
• Teachers working with behavioral consultants
• Organizations providing ABA services in school settings
• Anyone responsible for improving classroom behavior and instructional time

Why This Conversation Matters

Schools don’t need more programs. They need support that fits real classrooms. When behavior analysts understand the environment, build relationships, and focus on practical impact, consultation becomes a powerful tool for improving both student behavior and teacher confidence.

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In this powerful episode of the Crisis in Education Podcast, Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni sits down with Bonnie and Thomas Liotta, founders of Creating Champions For Life, for an unfiltered conversation about behavior, safety, and the cost of getting it wrong.

The discussion centers on a reality educators and parents can no longer ignore: when systems rely on reactive, punishment-based approaches, everyone loses—students, families, and staff. Drawing from decades of experience and thousands of transformed families, the Liottas challenge conventional behavior management practices and offer a proactive, skills-based alternative grounded in prevention, regulation, and human dignity.

Together, Paulie, Bonnie, and Thomas unpack why restraint-driven cultures persist, how fear and misinformation shape decision-making, and what happens when adults are trained to teach life skills instead of managing crises. The conversation connects behavior science, parenting, education, and leadership through one unifying question: What would change if we focused on building capacity instead of controlling behavior?

This episode is a must-listen for educators, administrators, behavior analysts, parents, and leaders who want safer environments, better outcomes, and approaches that actually work in the real world.

About the Guests

Bonnie and Thomas Liotta are the founders of Creating Champions For Life, where they have helped over 3,000 children achieve a 90% behavioral transformation rate and a 78% medication elimination rate across hundreds of families.

After Bonnie’s own children struggled with behavioral diagnoses, she discovered Thomas’s methodology and experienced a complete transformation at home. Today, they challenge traditional parenting and behavior models by teaching families how to eliminate challenging behavior through proactive life-skills development, not punishment. Combined, they bring over 60 years of experience in child development and personal growth.

Resources Mentioned in This Episode

🔹 Digital Collection – The Path to Parenting Paradise
https://thepathtoparentingparadise.com/

🔹 E-Book Resources
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pQ05RIBDfSBj7D_buUs8K-9Rcz6TTVPntqJPvurS_kc/edit?usp=sharing

🔹 LinkedIn Article by Bonnie & Thomas Liotta
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bonnie-and-thomas-liotta-13339480_last-week-a-staff-member-died-restraining-activity-7389407546563989504-c3Wp

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In this episode of the Crisis in Education podcast, Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni sits down with Michael Waller, an attorney and Executive Director of Georgia Appleseed, to talk about the real work of keeping students safe, supported, and out of the criminal justice system. Drawing from legal, educational, and behavioral science perspectives, they unpack how poverty, exclusionary discipline, and lack of proactive support funnel students — especially kids in poverty and kids of color — from classrooms into courts. The conversation shines a light on what actually works: strengthening schools as prevention hubs, building predictable environments, and giving educators the tools to respond to behavior before it escalates.

🔑 Key Topics Covered

• Why the criminal justice system was never designed for children
• How poverty and school exclusion feed the “school-to-system” pipeline
• The real impact of suspension, expulsion, and “push-out” practices
• What educators can do when they don't control the home environment
• How legal advocacy and behavior science intersect in prevention
• The role of predictable, reinforcing environments in reducing crisis behavior
• Why “safety” must be defined as more than just the absence of violence

If you believe schools should be places of opportunity, not gateways to the system, share this episode with a colleague, educator, or policymaker.
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In this episode, Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni sits down with Mike Caldwell, founder of LinkedLeaders, a national platform dedicated to accelerating the growth and effectiveness of K–12 school leaders. With a shared passion for bringing out the best in people through leadership and behavioral science, Paulie and Mike explore what it really takes to build schools where leadership is intentional, scalable, and deeply human.

They unpack the importance of mentorship, collaboration, and professional support systems that truly equip leaders to thrive—not just survive—in today’s complex educational landscape. Mike shares lessons from his work with charter schools and district leaders, emphasizing that leadership development isn’t a luxury—it’s the lever for sustainable change.

Through stories from the field, Paulie and Mike connect the dots between values, systems, and performance. They dig into how leaders can multiply their impact by investing in others, building communities of practice, and aligning actions with purpose. The conversation highlights how effective leadership ripples outward—from the superintendent’s office to the classroom, and ultimately to the students themselves.

🔑 Key Takeaways

• Leadership growth happens through mentorship, modeling, and deliberate practice, not chance.
• Schools flourish when leaders create reinforcement-rich environments that build trust and accountability.
• Effective leaders see themselves as part of a system—their behavior sets the tone for everyone else’s performance.
• Collaboration and connection aren’t soft skills—they’re the foundation of sustainable school improvement.
• Empowering school leaders means empowering students, families, and communities.

💬 About the Guest

Mike Caldwell is the founder of Link Leaders, a national organization connecting K–12 education leaders to expertise, tools, and community. Previously the Director of Bluum, Mike has mentored and coached school leaders across Idaho to design innovative models, strengthen leadership capacity, and scale high-quality practices that improve student outcomes.

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In this episode, Dr. Paulie welcomes back Dr. Greg Rockhold, a seasoned educator and leader with nearly 30 years of experience and service, including on the Board of Directors of the National Association of Secondary School Principals. Known for his thought-provoking LinkedIn posts, Dr. Rockhold joins to discuss one of his most pressing concerns: the lack of preparation first-year teachers receive before being thrown into the classroom “frying pan.”

Together, they explore why teacher preparation programs often fall short, how systemic issues leave new educators vulnerable to burnout, and what schools and districts can do to better support them. The conversation also touches on the potential of simulations and artificial intelligence as game changers in teacher training and education at large—tools that could revolutionize how educators build skills before they ever step into a classroom.

Key Topics Covered

• The hidden challenges first-year teachers face in today’s classrooms.
• Why traditional teacher preparation programs aren’t enough.
• The critical role of leadership in supporting and retaining new educators.
• Lessons from the Marine Corps and Boy Scouts about preparation and adaptability.
• How simulations and AI could transform teacher training and student learning.
• Practical steps districts can take to reduce teacher turnover and empower staff.

Why Listen?

If you’re a school leader, teacher, policymaker, or parent, this conversation will shed light on the realities of teaching and why so many educators leave the profession early. You’ll walk away with actionable insights on how to create systems that prepare, support, and sustain teachers—because when teachers thrive, students do too.

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In this episode of The Heart & Science of Leadership Podcast, Dr. Paulie Gavoni sits down with veteran educator Dr. Michael L. Cubbin for a spirited debate on classroom leadership. The conversation was sparked by Cubbin’s critique of Paulie’s article on establishing expectations during the first week of school, and by his own provocative piece, “Don’t Grade Student Work On-Time? Shame on You!”

What followed was an honest, challenging dialogue about:

• Whether classroom systems support or drive teachers away
• The role of values, culture, and reinforcement in shaping student behavior
• The balance between accountability and compassion in teacher expectations
• Why grading and timely feedback remain a flashpoint in education

At times direct and contentious, this discussion highlights both differences in philosophy and shared concern for improving outcomes for students and teachers. Listeners will hear two strong perspectives that push each other—and the audience—to think more critically about what true classroom leadership looks like.

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In this episode, Dr. Paul “Paulie” Gavoni sits down with Dr. Rick Surrency, Superintendent of Putnam County Schools in Florida, to explore how one of the lowest-performing districts in the state transformed into a model of success.

When Dr. Surrency took office in 2016, Putnam County Schools faced daunting challenges: a graduation rate under 55%, multiple failing schools, and a community that many considered on the decline. Fast forward to today, and the results speak volumes:

• Graduation rate increased to over 92%
• Every failing school eliminated
• $300+ million secured to rebuild aging campuses
• Recognition as Florida’s Superintendent of the Year (2023)

Dr. Surrency shares the leadership principles, strategies, and hard choices that fueled this turnaround, including how to:

• Align education with real-world opportunities through programs in aviation, advanced manufacturing, and beyond.
• Create systems that reinforce both academic achievement and vocational readiness.
• Rebuild trust and pride in a community once considered a “dying district.”

This conversation goes beyond statistics. It’s about values-driven leadership, equipping students with skills that match their passions, and building schools that serve as engines of hope for families and communities.

🎧 Tune in to hear how bold vision, relentless action, and a commitment to human behavior science can breathe life into a struggling school system.

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In this episode of The Crisis in Education Podcast, Dr. Paul "Paulie" Gavoni sits down with three-time District Teacher of the Year finalist, Tana Stanley, to explore a critical and often overlooked element of classroom success—student voice.

They dig into how giving students opportunities to provide feedback through structured surveys can foster engagement, build psychological safety, and contribute to a more learning-ready classroom environment. Tana shares practical strategies from her own teaching experience, including how she uses student surveys to guide her instruction and strengthen her relationship with learners.

From implementation tips to lessons learned, this is a must-listen for any educator looking to make student-centered learning more than just a buzzword.

📩 Want a Copy of the Student Voice & Learning Readiness Survey?
Email [email protected] with the subject line "Student Survey" and we’ll send it your way.

⚠️ Disclaimer:
This survey is a practical tool informed by research on student engagement, teacher-student relationships, and learning readiness. However, it is not a validated psychometric instrument. Its intended use is to open dialogue, build connection, and guide reflection—not to formally evaluate teacher performance or diagnose student needs. 

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In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Paulie sits down with Dr. Keith Storey—Professor Emeritus, BCBA-D, and lifelong educator—to explore how PBIS (Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports) isn’t just for schools. They break down how the same strategies that support students in classrooms can be used to empower people with disabilities as they transition into adult life and the workforce.

Too often, students with disabilities age out of school and enter “the real world” with minimal support and little preparation for independence. Dr. Storey shares how PBIS strategies can help bridge that gap—creating environments that reinforce dignity, build skills, and increase the likelihood of success in the workplace and beyond.

Topics Covered:

• How PBIS principles apply beyond K-12 to adult employment settings
• Using behavior analysis to increase independence and reduce barriers
• The role of teachers and job coaches in shaping meaningful, dignified employment
• Challenges in applying PBIS and ABA ethically in adult services
• Real examples of successful workplace inclusion
• Why systems-level change is critical to long-term impact
• Treating adults with disabilities as capable contributors, not passive recipients of support

Check out Dr. Storey's most recent book 
POSITIVE BEHAVIOR SUPPORTS FOR ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES IN EMPLOYMENT, COMMUNITY, AND RESIDENTIAL SETTINGS: Practical Strategies That Work (3rd Ed.)

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We all talk about feedback—but what if the real key to teacher growth is the trust behind it?

In this episode of the Crisis in Education podcast, Dr. Paulie sits down with Craig Randall, former principal, counselor, and author of Trust-Based Observations, to challenge the compliance-heavy approach to teacher evaluations.

Craig makes a compelling case: Feedback matters. But unless it's grounded in psychological safety and authentic relationships, it rarely drives meaningful change. That’s why his trust-based model isn’t just a softer alternative—it’s a smarter one that provides the conditions that actually support learning.

You’ll hear:

• Why most observation systems fall short—even with good intentions
• How trust amplifies the impact of feedback
• What leaders can do to build a culture where both students and staff thrive

If you're tired of checklists and one-sided evaluations, this conversation offers a clear, evidence-informed path forward.

Resources

Craig's Trust Based Observations Website

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