Novelist Ben Thomas joins the show to talk about Frank Herbert, Dune, the Glass Bead Game, Star Wars as part of the Dune universe, Brad's proposal for a "Butlerian Jihad" and more. And listen to the After Dark episode for Patreon subscribers at: patreon.com/artofdarkpod twitter.com/writingben twitter.com/artofdarkpod twitter.com/bradkelly twitter.com/kautzmania https://youtu.be/d4_KwEvgFco

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