This week Leo and I sat down with Lee Chapelle. Lee served 22 years in prison. He beat the odds and despite the deplorable state of our prison system he turned his life around. Today Lee helps offenders reintegrate into society and provides assistance to individuals who are facing jail time. In today's political environment of parole reform based on electioneering Lee is a necessary voice. Lee tells it like it is - he literally knows the system inside and out. We talk jail myths and realities, the current sate of the jail system, and why government gets jail policy so wrong.