The Endurance Experience Podcast

A conversation with running legend Amby Burfoot. Amby Burfoot stands as a titan in the running world. Crowned the Boston Marathon champion in 1968, he became the first collegian to win this prestigious event and the first American to claim the title since John Kelley in 1957.

As well as a stellar racing career of over 62 years, Amby channeled his passion for running into journalism. He joined Runner’s World magazine in 1978, rising to the position of Editor-in-Chief and then serving as its Editor-at-Large.

As well as being the author of several books on running, he regularly contributes articles to major publications, and curates his weekly Run Long, Run Healthy Newsletter.  

We talk about his origin story and the early relationships he cultivated with other notable runners like John J. Kelly the younger, and Bill Rogers.

We discuss the recent performances and new world records coming from the professional marathon field and Amby gives his perspectives on what's driving the performance, and he discusses his skepticism with the authenticity of some of the recent performance given the possibility and prevalence of performance enhancement substances.

We talk about the heightened popularity of running and Amby gives his advice to runners looking to perform, enjoy the sport recreationally, enhance general health and increase longevity in the sport.

About Amby Burfoot on Marathon Handbook: https://marathonhandbook.com/author/amby/ 

Amby Burfoot's Run Long, Run Healthy Newsletter: https://marathonhandbook.com/run-long-run-healthy-newsletter/

Amby's Books on Running: https://www.ambyburfoot.com/p/buy-autographed-book.html

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A conversation with Paul Holborn. He is a former boxer and winner of the 2025 World Marathon Challenge which is running 7 marathons on 7 continents in 7 days. Paul Holborn didn’t go into the event to win, but after about 5 days Paul emerged as the men’s winner, completing the 777 in an average time of 3:22:36.  

We talk about his background as a boxer and the inspiring story of what eventually drove him to consider attempting the World Marathon Challenge, and the support he received from his family after taking the physical and financial leap.  

We discuss Paul’s training approaching leading up to the 777 and the amount of training volume he peaked at to prepare, including his level of confidence going into Antarctica.  

We talk about Paul’s fueling and sleep protocol going into the event and how well it worked. Paul discusses what he believes it was that helped him in the end.  

Paul talks through each leg of the event, some of the high points and lower points and where along the way did the possibility he could win come into mind.  

Finally Paul talks about what the future holds for his athletic pursuits.    

Paul Holborn Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pauly_holborn  

Paul Holborn BBC Article 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgp43emvd0o.amp  

Paul Holborn NYT Article
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6164653/2025/03/01/seven-marathons-seven-days-seven-continents/  

About the World Marathon Challenge
https://www.worldmarathonchallenge.com/  


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A conversation with coach Patrick Smith, PhD. Coach Smith’s passion for sports was paralleled by a desire to revolutionize how we approach mental performance. With an undergraduate degree in marketing and a doctorate under the mentorship of Dr. Steven C. Hayes, a pioneering figure in psychology, he has dedicated his career to merging the most advanced behavioral science with the world of sports.  

We talk about everything from mental skills, the benefits of meditation to athletes and even touch on concepts of the efficacy of hypnotism. Coach Smith gives his perspectives on balancing social influence with athletes and the impact of AI.    

About Coach Patrick Smith, PhD:
https://www.coachpatricksmith.com/patrick-smith-phd  

Coach Patrick Smith’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/patrick_smith_aware/  

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A brief New Year's message from Coach Tony, host of the Endurance Experience Podcast.

• Looking Back and Forward
• The World Marathon Challenge.
• 3 Words of coaching wisdom. 

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Taking a look back at clips from 5 of the most downloaded episodes in Season 6 with updated commentary.

5:38: Nichole Andrews, RDN – Sugar Does Not Feed Cancer | @oncology.nutrition.rd | Full Podcast  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-54-sugar-does-not-feed-cancer-w-nichole-andrews-rdn/id1462408148?i=1000630494329

19:35: Andrew Jones, PhD – Super Shoes, Marathon Record Performances and Training Strategies | @andybeetroot | Full Podcast  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-55-super-shoes-marathon-record-performances-and/id1462408148?i=1000635497352

39:07: Tanya Halliday, RD, PhD – Adiposity, Health, GLP-1, Nutrition and Exercise | @NutritionNerd | Full Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-58-adiposity-health-glp-1-nutrition-and-exercise-w/id1462408148?i=1000660597582

57:18: Dirk Friel – AI and The Future of Training and Coaching | @dirkfriel | Full Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-59-ai-and-the-future-of-training-and-coaching-w-dirk-friel/id1462408148?i=1000664357248

1:15:30: Kerry McGawley, PhD  – The Female Athlete: Fairness, Inclusion and Performance| @kerrymcgawley | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-61-the-female-athlete-fairness-inclusion/id1462408148?i=1000670323899


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A conversation with coach Kerry McGawley, PhD. She is a Professor at Mid Sweden University with a broad research agenda in the female athlete, and menstruation effects on training, and racing performance. She is a coach and 2x age group world champion in triathlon. Professor McGawley engages in a science centered conversation around the protected women’s category in sport and explanation and implications of athletes with DSD.  

We talk about the paper she co-authored with other scientists and unpacks the evidence and critique of the IOC’s 2021 framework aimed at providing governing bodies with guidelines for fairness and inclusion.  

Professor McGawley gives her dissemination of a common rebuttal regarding performance advantage (i.e., Phelps advantages).  

Finally, Professor McGawley provides listeners with the key considerations that athletes/coaches should be aware of regarding the menstrual cycle, and the impact on female athlete training, racing and performance. She also comments on contraception influences. 

About Kerry McGawley, PhD
https://www.miun.se/en/personnel/m/kerrymcgawley/  

Kerry McGawley, PhD Instagram:
https://instagram.com/kerrymcgawley
 
Kerry McGawley, PhD Twitter/X:
https://x.com/KerryMcGawley  

Kerry McGawley, PhD  Co-Authored Paper:

The International Olympic Committee framework on fairness, inclusion and nondiscrimination on the basis of gender identity and sex variations does not protect fairness for female athletes https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sms.14581  

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A conversation with coach Chris Morgan, a former varsity swim coach with Harvard and Stanford and Olympic swim coach. 

We talk about the big stories from the Paris Olympic games and some of the memorable swimming performance. Notable topics included:

• Caleb Dressel's Paris performance vs. Tokyo.
• Katie Ladecky's performance overall and rivalry/friendship with Ariarne Titmus.
• Bobby Finke's breaking of Sun Yang's 1,500-meter world record for the U.S. only individual medal.
• Michael Phelps critique of American swimming performance and could he return?
• Léon Marchand's performance, support and future.
• China's Pan Zhanle's 46.4 100-meter world record, and is it beatable.

We also revisit KAATSU, an exercise method based on blood flow and involving compression of the vasculature proximal to the exercising muscles and its benefits to swimmers. 

Chris Morgan Instagram:
https://twitter.com/swim4chris

Chris Morgan Twitter:
https://twitter.com/swim4chris

About KAATSU:
https://kaatsu.com/


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A conversation with Dirk Friel. He is a co-founder and Chief Evangelist of TrainingPeaks, a web-based training and coaching software company. He holds a bachelor’s from Colorado State University and a former professional cyclist. Dirk hosts the TrainingPeaks CoachCast, an endurance sports podcast highlighting the value of excellent coaching and effective training. He and the guests explore topics ranging from advancements in the science of endurance training to inspirational racing moments and successful coach-athlete relationships.  

We talk about Dirk’s origin story in cycling and the also with the launch of TrainingPeaks as well as the vision behind it.  

We talk about artificial intelligence and how it may impact the training and coaching business. Dirk gives his perspective on how TrainingPeaks will keep up with AI and competitor use of AI.  

We discuss optimal training and recovery principles given the increase competitive landscape in triathlon, cycling and marathon training.  

Finally, we discuss the wearable technology evolution and who might emerge victorious from the wearable technology war and why.  

Dirk Friel Instagram https://instagram.com/dirkfriel  

Dirk Friel Bio https://www.trainingpeaks.com/partners/dirk-friel/  

CoachCast https://www.trainingpeaks.com/podcasts/  

TrainingPeaks https://www.trainingpeaks.com/    

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Tanya Halliday, PhD, RD is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Health, Kinesiology, and Recreation at the University of Utah. Her research focuses on appetite and food-intake regulation in response to lifestyle interventions such as dietary restriction and exercise. Currently, she is investigating how type of exercise (e.g., aerobic vs resistance) influences hormonal and behavior indices of appetite regulation, and mechanisms underlying response variation in body mass regulation with exercise. Another current area of research focus is on development of effective weight loss maintenance strategies. Dr. Halliday is also examining how sex as a biological variable, may influence the appetitive responses to energy deficits elicited through both increased exercise energy expenditure and caloric restriction.  

She received her PhD in Clinical Physiology and Metabolism from Virginia Tech in 2016, where her research focused on exercise and dietary interventions for the prevention and treatment of obesity and related cardiometabolic conditions. She is also a Registered Dietitian, having completed her BS in Dietetics in 2010 at the University of Wyoming, and her Dietetic Internship through the University of Houston in 2011.  

We have a conversation about the change in obesity rates over the last 50-60 years and what the current epidemiology states regarding the impact on populations and general health.  

We discuss traditional energy balance teachings and whether a “calorie is a calorie” as it relates to weight loss.  

Professor Halliday discusses GLP-1 medications, what problems they meant to solve and for which candidates and explains the side effects.  

We talk about the efficacy of exercise for improved health and weight loss and whether wearable technology can assist health outcomes.  

Tanya Halliday, PhD, RD
Full Biogrophy and Research Agenda    

Tanya Halliday, PhD, RD on X
https://x.com/NutritionNerd  

Tanya Halliday, PhD, RD on Instagram
https://instagram.com/NutritionNerd    


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Sarah Thomas an American ultra-marathon swimmer. Amidst a cancer diagnosis she is the first person to complete four consecutive crossings of the English Channel and the first person to swim a current-neutral swim over 100 miles. She holds the world record for longest, second-, and third-longest current-neutral swims, and various other records in both fresh and saltwater categories.

• We have a conversation about Sarah’s origin story and how she got into open water swimming.
• We talk about her cancer diagnosis and the impact it had on her mindset, training and preparation.
• We talk about Sarah’s notable marathon swimming accomplishments including the Lake Champlain Swim and the 4x consecutive channel crossing.
• We discuss her thoughts on her legacy and were she sees herself in the history of marathon swimming.

About Sarah Thomas
https://sarahthomasswims.com/

The Other Side: Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBWTJzTIk9w

Sarah on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/sarahswims04

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