The Endurance Experience Podcast

Alex Meyer is a former American competition swimmer who specialized in open water and long-distance swimming. He won a gold medal at the 2010 FINA World Open Water Swimming Championships in the 25-kilometer open water event. He was a member of the 2012 United States Olympic team, and placed tenth in the 10-kilometer open water event at the 2012 Summer Olympics. Alex won his final race before retirement, the 62nd Traversée internationale du lac St-Jean held on July 30, 2016.

We talk about Alex’s origin story with swimming and what drew him to open water vs. pool competition swimming. We talk about the swimming accomplishment he is most proud of.

Alex talks about his decision to swim in the Ivy league and describes what training was like as a division 1 swimmer.

We talk about what the Olympic trials is like for an open water swimmer and how Alex felt upon making the team. Alex walks through the 2012 Olympics and discusses his feelings about his performance and whether he has any regrets.

Alex gives his advice to triathletes and other open water swimmers on becoming better swimmers in the open water and getting beyond fear.

Finally, Alex sums up his swimming experience and talks about what he’s up to now and how he channels his competitive drive. We talk about what he’s excited about in swimming after watching the last Olympics and looking forward to the next one.

About Alex Meyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Meyer_(swimmer)

Alex Meyer’s Instagram
https://instagram.com/alexmeyerswims

Alex Meyer’s Swimming World Rankings
https://www.marathonswimrankings.com/

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A conversation with Professor Graham Stuart, MSc. Professor Stuart is a congenital heart cardiologist. He also has a clinical interest in cardiac electrophysiology in children and adults with congenital heart disease. He runs a clinic for inherited cardiac conditions and has a research interest in exercise and the heart and sports cardiology. He is an Honorary Associate Professor in Sports and Exercise Cardiology at the University of Bristol and an Honorary Research Associate at the University of Exeter. He is an avid endurance enthusiast with multiple IRONMAN and marathon finishes and he is also an avid rower.

Professor Stuart discusses how the heart works and describes what's happening with the heart during an endurance event. He discusses differences in heart size by sex and populations.

We talk about the latest findings in cardiology about the perceived long-term effects of training for endurance events like marathons and IRONMAN distance triathlons, and whether there is any evidence for long-term adverse effects with such training.

We have an exchange about athletes who suddenly die during endurance events and what may be some of the typical causes. We discuss the type of heart related issues that should give an athlete pause or concern.

We talk about the precautions that athletes should take with age and whether wearable technology can help spot potential issues.

Professor Stuart discusses the latest in cardiology about the impact of COVID on athletes, whether there is any more clarity on “long COVID” and a cardiologist recommended return to sport protocol for athletes that have had COVID.

Finally, Professor Stuart gives his perspective on the future with heart technology and whether we will ever see any form of a fully implantable replacement heart either mechanical or organic that can run on its own battery for a long period of time.

About Professor Graham Stuart
http://www.sportscardiology.co.uk/

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alan-Stuart-4

Professor Stuart’s Twitter
https://twitter.com/ag_stuart


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A conversation with Dave McGillivray, author and race director for the Boston Marathon. From his extraordinary 1978 run across the U.S. to benefit the Jimmy Fund to serving as technical director then race director of the BAA Boston Marathon since the 1980s, McGillivray has helped organize more than 1400 mass participatory events while raising millions for worthy causes close to his heart.

We have a conversation about his book, The Last Pick, The Boston Marathon Race Director’s Road to Success, and the inspiration for the book. We also talk about his goals with his 3 children’s books.

We talk about his athletic accomplishments including running across America, the IRONMAN triathlons, running 7 marathons on 7 continents in 7 consecutive days in the World Marathon Challenge and recently completing his 50th consecutive Boston Marathon. Dave tells the story about what made the events unique and challenging in their own way.

Dave fields the question about his “end game” and whether he’d ever see an end to being an endurance enthusiast or will he continue to complete endurance events as long as he can.

Finally, Dave talks about memorable experiences in his 50 Boston Marathon finishes and his thoughts on what the next 50 years will bring.

About Dave McGillivray
https://davemcgillivray.com/about-dm

Dave’s Book:
The Last Pick, The Boston Marathon Race Director’s Road to Success:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594864225/qid=1151510789/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1?n=283155&s=books&v=glance

Dave’s Children’s Books:

Dream Big:
https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Big-Story-Courage-Determination/dp/1619306182

Running Across America:
https://www.amazon.com/Running-Across-America-Determination-Heading/dp/1619308754/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=dave%20mcgillivray&qid=1599653681&sr=8-3

Finish Strong:
https://www.amazon.com/Finish-Strong-Seven-Marathons-Continents/dp/1647410398/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=dave%20mcgillivray&qid=1619024223&sr=8-1&pldnSite=1

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A conversation with Carol Irwin PhD, one of the key researchers for more than a decade around the issue of swimming competence among populations. We discuss her research teams latest qualitative report “Factors impacting Swim participation and Competence,” which aims to understand why we see lower swimming proficiency rates in underserved populations.

Dr. Irwin has PhD in Curriculum and Instruction/Health Education and an MA Sport Pedagogy. She is an associate professor of physical education, teacher education in the College of Health Sciences at the University of Memphis.

Dr. Irwin has been the Principal Investigator for several USA Swimming research studies, including “Constraints Impacting Minority Swimming Participation.” This nation-wide study was the first research to determine minority youth swimming ability, and to dig deeper to explore possible reasons why these underserved populations drown at such high rates.

She has also taken action to solve the problem by becoming research chair of Splash mid-south, a community-based program that supports diversity in swimming as well as decreasing drowning rates.

Dr. Irwin discusses her background and what drove her and the other members of the research team to prioritize study of this phenomenon.

She discusses the research methodology, of the May 2020 qualitative report, how it built off previous work, and some of the limitations. We review the key findings of the report including the insights that allow understanding about why we lower swimming competency in underserved populations and in what direction are the numbers moving.

Finally, Dr. Irwin provides insight into potential solutions.


About Dr. Carol Irwin, PhD
https://www.memphis.edu/healthsciences/contact/faculty/carolirwin.php
https://umwa.memphis.edu/fcv/viewprofile.php?uuid=cirwi

Factors Impacting Swimming Participation and Competence:
https://scholarworks.bgsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1568&context=ijare

Youth Swimming Ability and Associated Factors in the United States, 2010-17:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30688639/

Constraints Impacting Minority Swimming Participation:
https://www.usaswimming.org/docs/default-source/parent/learn-to-swim/2008_minority_swimming_research.pdf
Red Cross Centennial Campaign
https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/swimming/centennial


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A conversation with endurance sports coach, author, and nutritionist Matt Fitzgerald. He is the author of 31 books including Racing Weight, How to Get Lean for Peak Performances and Race like a Pro, (Even if You’re Slow). Just released this month.

We discuss endurance athletes and the concept of achieving an optimal performance weight or what athletes colloquially call “Race Weight.” We have a science and evidence-based discussion on why and when body composition matters with respect to bodies in motion.

We discuss Matt’s motivation for writing the book Racing Weight and the 6 step plan he outlines for endurance athletes looking to become better recreational athletes or maximize performance.

We talk about circumstances where this can go wrong and lead to counterproductive strategies or disordered eating and how to make sure you avoid such pitfalls in training.

We discuss the difference between dieting and performance weight management for athletes and what athletes need to think about, up and above the conventional dieter, when it comes to daily nutrition and fueling strategies.

We talk about how Matt has changed his approach with male and female coached athletes after over 10 years since he wrote the first edition of Racing Weight.

Matt is the co-founder of 80/20 Endurance, and in addition to authoring 31 books. Matt is an acclaimed nutritionist. Matt’s writing also appears regularly in magazines and on websites such as Women’s Running and outsideonline.com. His online training plans have helped thousands of athletes of all experience and ability levels achieve their goals. Certified by the International Society of Sports Nutrition, Matt has consulted for numerous sports nutrition companies and he is the creator of the Diet Quality Score (DQS) smartphone app. A lifelong athlete, he speaks frequently at events throughout the United States and internationally.

Matt’s Instagram:
https://instagram.com/fitzgerald.matt

Matt’s Twitter:
https://twitter.com/mattfitwriter

About Matt:
https://www.8020endurance.com/about-us/

Racing Weight Book:
https://shop.aer.io/Matt_Fitzgerald/p/title/9781934030998-416

Run Like a Pro (Event If You’re Slow)
https://www.amazon.com/Run-Like-Even-Youre-Slow-ebook/dp/B096DH95W8

Taking a look back at clips from 5 of the most downloaded episodes in season 4 with updated commentary.

5:20: Herman Pontzer, PhD – Author of the book Burn on Metabolism, Nutrition and our Hunter-Gatherer Bodies | @HermanPontzer | Full Podcast https://apple.co/3uc0J6T

20:50: Tammy Hanson – Elite Education Manager U.S. Anti-Doping Agency | @usantidoping | Full Podcast https://apple.co/3IT9rv6

41:00: Jeff Sankoff, M.D. – Athlete Vaccine Hesitancy | @triathmagtridoc | Full Podcast https://apple.co/3s00yJg

1:00:00: Joanna Harper, M.S. – The IOC’s New Guidelines for Transgender Athletes | https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joanna-Harper | Full Podcast https://apple.co/3AUGMmE

1:17:00: Nathan Martin - The Fastest U.S. Born Black Marathoner | @nim_i_am | Full Podcast https://apple.co/3KVP9Tr


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A conversation on MLK day with Nathan Martin, the fastest U.S. born black marathoner ever. Nathan set the record for the fastest marathon time by a black man born in the United States at the 2020 Marathon Project with a time of 2:11:05 besting a 41-year-old record held by Herman Atkins. He is also a coach and substitute teacher.

He qualified for the Olympic Marathon trials in 2016 and 2020. This past November he finished 8th at the 2021 New York City Marathon, while also being the third American finisher.

We talk about his origin story running as a youth, through his college career at Spring Arbor University and how his running developed into the marathon event.

We talk about his performance in the 2020 Olympic Marathon trials and what he learned that helped him run a personal record of 2:11:05 at the 2020 Marathon Project where he broke the 1979 record held by Herman Atkins. Nathan gives his thoughts about the significance of that accomplishment and also his thoughts on why we don’t see as many American runners under 2:10, and what Americans can do to compete on the international stage.

We talk about his performance at the 2021 New York City Marathon where he came in 8th right behind Kenenisa Bekele and was the third American Overall.

Nathan gives his thoughts as an elite runner and coach to the Endurance Experience marathon listeners about the attributes that he believes are important to get faster in the marathon.

Finally, as a cross country coach Nathan gives his coaching philosophy and provides advice to youths and parents on considering running as a sport.

Nathan Martin's Instagram
https://instagram.com/nim_i_am

Nathan Martin's Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/656553921424730/

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Joanna Harper is the only transgender person ever to be an adviser to the International Olympic Committee on matters of gender and sport. She’s the author of Sporting Gender: The History, Science, and Stories of Transgender and Intersex Athletes. She is a medical physicist by profession and holds a master’s degree in medical physics. She is a transgender athlete an avid distance runner by choice and the only person in history to publish a peer-reviewed article on the performance of transgender athletes. She’s also currently a PhD candidate at Loughborough university.

We touch on her personal story of transitioning and what drove her passion to dive into the science and ultimately be an adviser to the IOC on the topic.

We have an exchange about the issue governing bodies are facing with regards to the women’s category of sport and try to break it down for the listener and talk about some of the high-level statistics.

We have an exchange about fairness, how fairness has historically been defined and she offers her opinion on how it should be defined.

We touch on some of the interactions and discussions she’s had with some of the high-profile former female athletes that have talked publicly about the issue and whether she thinks some of them have evolved.

Finally, we walk through the new guidelines released by the IOC, what she agrees with and what she disagrees with and discuss the implications for the sport governing bodies.

About Joanna Harper, MS
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joanna-Harper

Joanna Harper’s Book
Sporting Gender: The History, Science, and Stories of Transgender and Intersex Athletes
https://www.amazon.com/Sporting-Gender-Transgender-Intersex-Athletes/dp/1538112965

IOC Framework on Fairness, inclusion and non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sex variations.
https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/News/2021/11/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf?_ga=2.195521836.1048075235.1637092563-834742310.1637092563

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A conversation with Dr. Jeff Sankoff, MD. He is an Emergency Physician, long time triathlete and USAT/IRONMAN University Certified coach and an accomplished triathlete himself. He produces the TriDoc Podcast that can be found on most popular podcast platforms and he’s the founder of LifeSport Coaching.

We have a conversation about vaccine hesitancy in the athletic arena. In this conversation you’ll see we remain sympathetic to those that have had inequities but at the same, using a couple of the more high-profile cases, we are able to examine some of the common arguments recirculating among some athletic people and groups. Dr. Sankoff gives his thoughts from the perspective of a physician using a science and evidence-based stance.

Find out what a doctor would say regarding vaccine hesitancy in the form of the “I am young and fit” narrative or the “I have natural immunity” position. Dr Sankoff also talks about the “personal choice” argument.

We transition to a conversation about injury recovery protocols of endurance athletes and Dr. Sankoff lends his expertise to allow the listeners to shape their understanding of what has sound evidence and what does not.

About Dr. Jeff Sankoff, M.D.
https://tridoccoaching.com/abouttridoc

The TriDoc Podcast
https://the-tridoc-podcast.captivate.fm/listen

Twitter
https://twitter.com/triathmagtridoc

Evaluating & Debunking 'Alternative' Injury Recovery Methods. Pt. 1
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/coach-blog/evaluating-debunking-alternative-injury-recovery-methods-part-1-steroids/

Evaluating & Debunking 'Alternative' Injury Recovery Methods. Pt. 2
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/coach-blog/evaluating-debunking-alternative-injury-recovery-methods-part-2-prp/

Evaluating & Debunking 'Alternative' Injury Recovery Methods. Pt. 3
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/coach-blog/evaluating-debunking-dry-needling/

A conversation with Dr. Amanda Leibovitz, PhD, LMHCA, LPC, CMPC a licensed therapist and certified mental performance consultant with a strong calling to empower others with the knowledge, awareness, and skills needed to navigate life on their own terms. She also holds coaching certifications with USA Triathlon, USA Paratriathlon, and USA Cycling and has been coaching endurance athletes since 2012. Her unique blend of experience, education, and training allows her to integrate effective strategies for high performance with proven approaches to mental health counseling to emphasize clients’ personal strengths and values as important vehicles for change.

We talk about the recent and frequent descriptions of athletes and mental in the media and you’ll hear Dr. Leibovitz’s position on what she believes represents the full scope of helping athletes, above and beyond demands on time or questions of burnout.

We talk about the competitive drive of the athlete to compete and succeed and ways to ensure this drive doesn’t manifest itself in counter-productive anti-patterns in the life of the athlete.

We talk about social media and social influence. We spend some time on this one because I wanted to get Dr. Leibovitz’s professional opinion on a protocol for the athlete on dealing with the 800 pound gorilla of social influence, while driving their social media presence in a productive way.

Lastly we talk about her strategy at Epic Wellness + Performance and how coaches can build out their athlete psychology resources for their athletes.

About Epic Wellness + Performance
https://epicwellnessco.com/

About Dr. Amanda Leibovitz, PhD, LMHCA, LPC, CMPC
https://epicwellnessco.com/about/

Epic Twitter
https://twitter.com/epicwellnessco

Epic Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/epicwellnessco

Epic Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/epicwellnessco/

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