November 18, 2025

The Fourth-Quarter Question (featuring Dr. Nathan Baxter)

37 minutes

Dr. Nathan Baxter loved ten hours of his job.

Those one-on-ones with staff fueled him. The rest slowly emptied him. Naming that truth started a two-year journey out of a role he’d held for decades. He didn’t abandon ministry. He changed vehicles so his calling could breathe again.

In this conversation Nathan walks through a practical runway. He set a modest income target, built a small savings cushion, and launched a coaching practice with a pastor’s heart. He also shares the moment his elders asked him to leave sooner than planned and chose surprising generosity, a gift that humbled him more than any pain.

Now coaching CEOs and pastors alike, Nathan talks finishing well, clarifying a “particular purpose,” and the three anchors every leader over 50 needs: margin, influence, and hyper-intentional living.

If transition feels like free fall, this episode will help you steady your soul and take the next right step.

Key Takeaways

Honest work audits can reveal misaligned roles without shaming your calling.

A two-year discernment window can hold fear, finances, and family well.

Build a simple runway: clear income target and small savings cushion.

Generosity in transition can reframe pain and deepen humility.

You can keep a pastoral identity while changing employers.

Finishing well rests on margin, influence, and intentional living.

Purpose is discovered over time. Let the desert do its work.

Chapter Markers

00:00 Welcome and background

02:20 When the job isn’t the joy anymore

04:55 Two-year wrestle and first paid coaching moment

08:24 Elders, early exit, unexpected generosity

10:14 Building a practical runway and budget targets

12:16 Why “Lead Self, Lead Others”

16:02 Defining finishing well in the fourth quarter

18:18 Retiring the fee, keeping the call at 68

20:07 Purpose unfolds slowly, not suddenly

24:42 Margin, influence, and hyper-intentional life

27:30 Why pastors make great coaches

30:01 CEOs and pastors face the same pressures

31:38 Wisdom to a next-gen pastor son

34:03 Where to find Nathan’s work

Before you make the next move, make the wise one. Visit ministrytransitions.com to schedule a confidential call, get transition tools for your board or staff, or give to help another leader walk through theirs with dignity.

To learn more about how pastors can become powerful leadership coaches, visit leadselfleadothers.com or realcoachingsuccess.com. You’ll find tools to help you clarify calling, build a coaching rhythm, and multiply your impact beyond the church walls.

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