Welcome to The Friend School podcast with Matt & Paige! It's time to discover your confidence and deepen your connection with others.
What happens when a marriage doesn’t just break, but absolutely shatters?
In this powerful conversation, we sit down with our dear friends James and Deb Mavis to hear one of the most stunning stories of honesty, damage, healing, failure, and hope that we’ve ever encountered.
Married young, James and Deb’s relationship was volatile from day one...emotionally, physically, spiritually. Toxicity, trauma, violence, secrecy, crushing expectations...they lived it all.
And after nearly a decade of pain, abuse, and denial, they divorced.
But that wasn’t the end of the story.
In this episode, they tell the raw, candid story of what broke them, the surprising road of healing and recovery they each took, and how—years later—they found their way not just back to each other, but into a marriage truly rebuilt from the ground up.
***A gentle warning: this episode includes references to abuse, trauma, and deeply sensitive relational struggles. If you’ve got kids in the car or nearby, we recommend saving this one for a private listen.
Vulnerability doesn't get more real than this. We’re so grateful and excited for you to hear this one.
TALK IT OVER:
- What part of James and Deb’s story resonated most deeply with you—and why?
- What would a “hard reset” look like in your own relationships? Are there any unhealthy patterns you’re tolerating?
- Do you have safe, trusted people—either friends or mentors—you can be totally honest with? If not, what might one small step look like to begin building that?
- Where have you seen God bring resurrection out of ruin or pain in your life?
- What does “real friendship” look like to you in crisis seasons?
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