The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Derek Thompson for another edition of The Future of Everything, during which they discuss Derek and Ezra Klein’s new book ‘Abundance,’ before sharing their predictions for the future of politics, tech, sports, and culture.

Host: Bill Simmons

Guest: Derek Thompson

Producers: Kyle Crichton and Chia Hao Tat

This episode is sponsored by State Farm®. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®

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