If you're in the world of urban planning and transit systems, there's a good chance you're familiar with veteran transportation planner Jarrett Walker and his classic book 2011, “Human Transit: How Clearer Thinking about Public Transit Can Enrich Our Communities and Our Lives.

”We recently published an excerpt from the newly updated edition of the book – catch that here. And back in February, we hosted a popular webinar with Walker, in conversation with Steven Higashide, the director of the Union of Concerned Scientists' Clean Transportation program.

In this episode of the Next City podcast, we talk to Walker and Higashide about how our individualistic culture – driven both by the elite class as well as American notions of freedom more broadly – in turns breeds a pernicious car culture, and how we can turn that on its head to achieve successful public transit systems that will enrich our communities.