This week, Ravi and Grant turn to Loren DeJonge Schulman and Erin Simpson to discuss how technology is changing war and what that means for humanitarians. Both Loren and Erin have years of experience working in the defense industry - so not only are they experts on this issue, they also provide a unique view on how militaries around the world are actually thinking about and implementing technologies like autonomous weapons, AI, and cyberwarfare.

Loren and Erin are two of the three co-hosts of their own podcast called Bombshell, where they unpack more national security and defense issues. Check it out.

If you haven’t listened to Ravi and Grant’s conversation with Robert Malley, president and CEO of the International Crisis Group, about the top conflicts to watch in 2019, catch up here.

Displaced is a partnership between Vox Media and the International Rescue Committee. Find our show notes here.

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