Join us as we discuss the final parts of the Gainesville Ripper case with our forensic friend, Lisa VanderGriend, MA, LPC, RPTS. The court case, his curious romantic entanglements and prevention work with children are explored in this important episode. Reach out to us in our DMs for information about play therapy resources if you need them! Trigger Warning: This episode contains some graphic content. 

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