Learn more about the killings that may have inspired the Moscow Murders with our special guest, Lisa VanderGriend! Lisa is an expert play therapist with a criminology background, and she grew up in Gainesville where this all went down. We discuss what could have prevented these murders and how the killer was ultimately brought to justice. His developmental history is included for context regarding the progression of psychopathy. Trigger Warning: Details of the crimes and crime scenes are shared including severe sexual and physical violence. 

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