In this episode of the Grounded Union Podcast, Evan and Kelsey share their raw journey through sex addiction recovery in their first year of marriage. Evan courageously unpacks his 20-year porn addiction history, revealing how denial structures kept him trapped even while attending 12-step meetings. After becoming complacent during their engagement, Evan's "gaslighting himself" about Instagram porn spiraled into deeper patterns—including objectifying his postpartum wife. What makes this conversation remarkable is Evan's radical transparency: he's already dismantling denial structures monthly, admitting to objectifying women everywhere, and facing the most painful truth—he's been judging Kelsey's body. Brandon and Caitlyn guide them through the "replacing" phase of the 4 R's, teaching Evan to rewire 20 years of conditioning by coming home to his body, feeling emotions he's numbed for decades, and seeing people through neutrality instead of judgment. For Kelsey, battling hypervigilance while pregnant and postpartum, Caitlyn offers hard-won hope: the forest you're clearing now leads to a meadow of true intimacy.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:01:10 – Complacency in Recovery: Evan shares his history with sex and lust addiction and describes how getting married led him to stop his 12-step work and enter a season of complacency.
• 00:05:21 – Safety and Postpartum Honor: Kelsey discusses the deep pain of feeling judged by her husband after a high-risk pregnancy and her refusal to lower her standards for safety in the marriage.
• 00:09:56 – The Reticular Activating System (RAS): Brandon explains the "tech" of the brain, describing how the RAS filters data and how years of addiction trained it to focus on body parts over people.
• 00:12:44 – Radical Responsibility Changes Everything: Caitlyn affirms Evan and Kelsey as a couple actively applying the work, highlighting how Evan’s language reflects ownership rather than minimization or helplessness.
• 00:15:08 – Unexpected Debris and the "Affection Glitch": A deep dive into why the brain sometimes defaults to old, toxic imagery as a defense mechanism when it finally begins to experience genuine emotional intimacy.
• 00:17:03 – Purging the "Virus" of Old Beliefs: Using the analogy of a physical virus to explain why "ugly" thoughts must be voiced out loud to be fully cleared from the system.
• 00:22:41 – Family Dynamics and the Root of Addiction: An exploration of how childhood enmeshment and rough home environments shape the need for escapism and the long-term reliance on pornography.
• 00:27:37 – The Mechanics of the Fourth R (Replacing): A deep dive into replacing distorted associations of connection with tangible, present-moment experiences like nature, sound, and genuine bond.
• 00:30:05 – Intimacy as Radical Visibility: Redefining intimacy as "into-me-you-see" and recognizing intrusive thoughts as "subconscious darts" used to defend against the fear of being fully known.
• 00:42:42 – Returning to the Present Moment: Breaking the habit of mental escape by grounding oneself in the immediate reality of family, physical surroundings, and core values.
• 00:46:44 – Navigating the "Dark Forest" of Recovery: Using the analogy of clearing a forest to describe the arduous but necessary work of removing secrets to reach a place of marital abundance.
• 00:51:14 – Maintaining High Standards for Intimacy: A final call to never settle for a mediocre relationship, instead choosing to remove the old structures to make room for a deeper union.

In today’s episode of The Grounded Union Podcast, discover how true healing after long-term porn addiction requires going far deeper than behavior change. Brandon and Caitlyn Doerksen walk alongside Dave and Katie as they unpack the decades of pain beneath Dave’s 16-year addiction, pain rooted in childhood sexual trauma, religious shame, and a lifelong belief that he was “defective.” The conversation shifts powerfully as Katie reveals that the deepest trauma is no longer the pornography itself, but the cycle of partial honesty, shame spirals, and having to heal alone. Brandon and Caitlyn challenge Dave’s patterns of self-loathing and avoidance, drawing a clear line between staggered disclosure and real accountability. With practical yet confronting guidance, Caitlyn outlines a path of radical honesty through comprehensive personal inventory and disclosure. This episode offers a sobering but hopeful truth: freedom, intimacy, and peace are possible when shame is replaced with total transparency.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Breaking Point After 16 Years: Katie and Dave describe the exhaustion, worsening conflict, and fear that nothing will ever change after 16 years of trying.
• 03:35 – Defining the Addiction & Failed Solutions: They outline years of counseling, 12-step programs, and trauma groups that never brought lasting freedom.
• 07:17 – Validation for the Betrayed Spouse: Katie shares how hearing her experience finally validated gave her hope that a new story is possible.
• 09:25 – Porn Is the Symptom, Not the Root: Caitlyn introduces the “weed” analogy, reframing addiction as a surface issue pointing to deeper wounds.
• 12:36 – Childhood Sexual Trauma Revealed: Dave discloses early sexual abuse that shaped his shame identity and lifelong struggle.
• 15:00 – Why Porn Actually Hurts the User: Brandon explains how porn feeds anxiety, loneliness, and shame rather than pleasure or relief.
• 18:29 – The Core Question: Why Tolerate a Life You Don’t Love?: Dave is challenged to stop running from pain and face what he’s been avoiding for decades.
• 21:11 – Sexuality Is Distorted, Not Evil: Brandon reframes sexuality as relational and good, offering hope beyond moral shame.
• 25:39 – The Lie of “Character Defect”: Caitlyn dismantles the belief that something is fundamentally wrong with Dave, and shows how that belief fuels addiction.
• 35:07 – The Weight of Betrayal on the Spouse: Katie names the exhaustion of carrying shame, lies, and a lack of accountability alone.
• 38:21 – Lifelong Dishonesty Exposed: Dave realizes dishonesty, not porn, is the deepest pattern keeping him trapped.
• 40:17 – Terror as the First Sign of Readiness: Dave admits he’s terrified, and the hosts affirm this fear as the gateway to real change.
• 46:20 – Why “Therapeutic Disclosure” Often Fails: Caitlyn explains why partial disclosure protects addiction instead of healing it.
• 01:07:04 – The Gift of Being Fully Known: Radical honesty with one’s spouse is reframed as the doorway to intimacy and freedom.
• 01:11:28 – Lock Arms and Heal Together: The episode closes with a clear picture of hope: spouses facing the truth side by side until freedom is complete.

In this episode of The Grounded Union Podcast, Brandon and Caitlyn coach Drew and Chelsea through a three-year journey of porn addiction recovery that's been overshadowed by persistent lying. In this live call-in session, Chelsea vulnerably shares her heartbreak: despite Drew's initial confession and stopping pornography, she has "literally zero trust" as small lies continue to surface. Brandon and Caitlyn trace Drew's compulsive dishonesty back to childhood shame and his first exposure to pornography at age eight, revealing why traditional one-time disclosures fail. They challenge Drew to embrace daily radical transparency, explaining that "silly lies" signal deeper hidden truths. This raw coaching session introduces their four R's rewiring process and offers a powerful promise: commit to removing the veil completely, and your marriage will be transformed within a year.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Welcome to Season 3: The hosts introduce the new season's format, featuring nine brave couples for relational and practical live call-in coaching, beginning with Drew & Chelsea's story of betrayal, infertility, and healing. 
• 00:01:32 – The Breaking Point: Chelsea reveals discovering Drew's porn addiction in 2022, three years into marriage, after conceiving their son during the one week he wasn't active in his addiction. 
•  00:03:41 – The Deeper Root: Drew opens up about how his confession was encouraged by a men’s group—but how lying remains his reflexive shield against fear and shame.
• 00:06:32 – The Recent Lie Uncovered: Chelsea details how she uncovered a recent lie about internet use, describing the emotional exhaustion of catching dishonesty even in seemingly small things. 
• 00:09:20 – The Panic Response: Drew admits he panicked when he realized he'd broken their agreement and instinctively deleted the history to hide it.
• 00:17:25 – Self-Perception as Failure: Drew describes himself as "failing to do the things I need to do" and "not being the man my wife deserves." 
• 00:23:14 – The First Exposure to Porn: Drew recounts seeing pornography at age 8, with a deep dive into how that early moment shaped decades of addiction, secrecy, and shame. 
• 00:28:44 – Rewiring the Narrative Through Embodiment: The healing process is reframed: instead of blaming culture, control, or sin nature, Drew is invited to reclaim his power and rewire both behavior and belief through conscious honesty.
  00:30:29 – “Silly Lies”: A powerful reminder that small lies don’t exist in isolation—they usually point to larger truths left buried, requiring courage to bring into the light.
• 00:37:45 – Embodiment and the Nervous System Zones: A breakdown of the “fire,” “ice,” and “grounded” nervous system states, and how embodiment can help regulate reactions to daily relational triggers. 
• 00:45:25 – The Power of Ongoing Transparency: Encouragement to go beyond the initial disclosure and begin seeing yourself clearly, allowing your spouse to do the same—bit by bit, together. 
• 00:52:23 – A Marriage with Nothing Hidden: The vision: a marriage where everything is known and nothing needs to be hidden—a relationship built on radical safety, not secrecy. 
• 00:58:07 – Trusting Actions, Not Words: Trust is earned by the husband's daily, consistent actions—waking up and getting in his body, and initiating hard conversations every night—not by simple apologies or words.

In this episode of The Grounded Union Podcast, Brandon and Caitlyn Doerksen dive deep into why pausing everything else might be the most important decision you ever make for your marriage. They get raw about the hidden costs of busyness, distractions, and avoidance, sharing personal stories from their own journey, including Brandon stepping down from ministry and Caitlyn reclaiming hours in her day, to illustrate how chronic exhaustion and misaligned priorities quietly erode intimacy. This podcast explains why facing pain head-on, regulating your nervous system, and creating space for transformative conversations are essential for rebuilding trust and connection. Packed with practical strategies, from reclaiming time and energy to cutting distractions, this episode is both an urgent wake-up call and a hopeful guide for couples ready to show up fully, prioritize their relationship, and restore lasting intimacy.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Why Stop Everything to Save Your Marriage: Brandon opens the conversation, explaining what’s at stake if a marriage is neglected and why giving it full attention is worth every ounce of effort.
• 00:02:36 – Making Healing the #1 Priority: The couple shares how clearing their schedules and mental space to focus solely on repairing their marriage became the turning point in their relationship.
• 00:04:49 – Why Your Kids and Friends Matter: They discuss how the health of a marriage directly influences children, friendships, and social circles, highlighting the broader impact of prioritizing your union.
• 00:07:47 – The Roommate Marriage Problem: Brandon and Caitlyn explore how settling into disconnection and living like roommates can quietly erode intimacy, sometimes worse than divorce.
• 00:09:34 – Three Essentials Every Couple Needs to Heal: Caitlyn outlines the foundational elements of time, energy, and shared effort that every couple must commit to in order to restore their relationship.
• 00:15:02 – Removing Distractions to Reconnect: They provide practical advice on turning off phones, TV, and other distractions to create space for meaningful connection.
• 00:21:32 – Focus Matters: Brandon explains why saying no to volunteering, side projects, and other commitments is essential to saving your marriage.
• 00:27:24 – Leaving Ministry to Save Marriage: Brandon recounts stepping away from ministry and public accolades to focus fully on his marriage, illustrating the cost of true prioritization.
• 00:29:35 – Identity Recreation: Caitlyn discusses how letting go of titles, roles, and societal expectations allowed both partners to reconnect authentically.
• 00:34:02 – Priorities That Never Crumble: They explain the principle of protecting marriage and family above all else as a way to sustain long-term influence and personal fulfillment.
• 00:37:00 – Letting It All Crumble: Brandon shares how allowing work, projects, and public perception to fall apart in 2020 became a necessary step for rebuilding their life together.
• 00:39:07 – Life on the Other Side: They describe the renewed joy, connection, and purpose that emerged after making the hard choices to prioritize marriage above everything else.

In this episode of The Grounded Union Podcast, we touched on the fundamental misunderstanding most couples have about conflict - it's not about communication styles, it's about unhealed pain. Brandon and Caitlyn dismantle the myth that arguing stems from everyday disagreements like where to go to dinner, revealing instead how betrayal trauma, broken trust, and prolonged disconnection create explosive emotional reactions. They share their personal transformation from a cycle where Brandon's porn addiction triggered defensive responses and Caitlyn's pain was met with minimization. The breakthrough came when Brandon learned to lean into her pain rather than run from it, using specific body language techniques and their "Comfort Flow" method that prioritizes emotional validation over fact-correction, ultimately transforming adversaries into teammates. This episode is full of hard-won wisdom, emotional insight, and actionable tools for any couple ready to stop avoiding conflict and start using it as a gateway to deeper intimacy.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Two Types of Conflict: The conversation opens with the distinction between everyday disagreements and conflict rooted in deeper wounds like betrayal or broken trust.
• 00:04:57 – Playing the Victim Card: How viewing yourself as society's casualty rather than your spouse's betrayer keeps you trapped in defensive cycles that destroy intimacy.
• 00:07:13 – The Gift of an Angry Wife: A new perspective emerges—an angry or frustrated wife is still engaged and willing to fight for the relationship, which can be seen as a gift of insight into her heart.
• 00:12:38 – A Counselor’s Pivotal Question: A powerful moment hits home when a counselor bluntly asks if Brandon’s actions made him an “asshole,” prompting honest self-reflection.
• 00:16:50 – Fight or Flight State: Caitlyn explains how betrayal discovery triggers panic and trauma, comparing it to being physically attacked.
• 00:20:54 – The Childish Argument Metaphor: Brandon uses the example of children fighting to illustrate that conflict can be a momentary outburst that, when handled constructively, can lead to a quick resolution.
• 00:22:41 – Grounded vs. Ungrounded Responses: Two core responses to a partner's pain are introduced: a grounded, powerful approach and an ungrounded, passive one.
• 00:26:59 – The “Mr. Pain” Bodyguard: Brandon introduces a mental picture to help men handle a partner's intense emotions by visualizing a "bodyguard" that helps them see the emotion as their partner's pain, not a personal threat.
• 00:28:31 – The Comfort Flow Tool: Introduction to their structured conversation template for processing pain and moving toward repair.
• 00:31:02 – The Problem with Robotic Apologies: Empty “I’m sorrys” are traced back to childhood conditioning—why they fail and what’s needed instead to repair real pain.
• 00:36:36 – Setting Up the Comfort Flow Example: They roleplay how to walk through the Comfort Flow when a spouse is newly devastated by a betrayal—showing what to say and what to avoid.
• 00:42:02 – The Source of Relationship Conflict: Brandon summarizes that relationship conflicts stem from underlying pain and separation, not surface issues like dinner choices, emphasizing the need to address root causes.

In today’s episode of The Grounded Union Podcast, discover how anxiety can silently sabotage your marriage and the small daily habits that can set you free. Brandon opens up about his years of crippling anxiety and the coping mechanisms that masked the problem: endless scrolling, gaming, and withdrawing from family life. A breaking point came with a 40-day fast and a panic attack that forced him to face the truth. Caitlyn brings a powerful perspective on why so many couples lack the emotional vocabulary to navigate these struggles, and how that gap fuels disconnection. Together, they share practical strategies, from naming emotions to practicing embodied exercises like breathwork and cold showers, that create space for real intimacy. If stress and avoidance are stealing joy from your marriage, this conversation offers both validation and a roadmap toward lasting peace.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:29 – Introduction: Brandon and Caitlyn frame anxiety as a hidden barrier to emotional safety in marriage.
• 00:01:54 – The Gut–Emotion Connection: Brandon explains how unresolved emotions often show up as digestive issues and physical stress.
• 00:02:34 – Video Games as Escape: He admits that gaming and scrolling became his way to numb out and regulate emotions.
• 00:03:51 – The Waterfall Analogy: Brandon shares a mentor’s picture of how entertainment only pauses anxiety but never resolves it.
• 00:04:47 – Rest vs. Entertainment: Caitlyn challenges the idea that zoning out with screens equals rest, calling it avoidance.
• 00:07:01 – Running from Emotions: She explains how people chase addictions to avoid the emotions they don’t want to face.
• 00:09:21 – The Real Struggle in Marriage: Brandon reflects on how marriage and kids amplified his anxiety by removing alone time.
• 00:13:00 – Panic at the Airport: He recounts collapsing in Portland Airport under stress, marking a breaking point.
• 00:14:07 – Emotional Illiteracy in Childhood: Caitlyn highlights how many weren’t taught to name or process emotions growing up.
• 00:19:02 – A Turning Point: Brandon introduces “deliberate practice in a controlled environment” as a key to healing.
• 00:20:00 – Emotional Response Training: He describes his daily practices—cold showers, breathwork, and miming—that reshaped responses.
• 00:23:00 – From Anxiety to Rest: Through embodiment routines, Brandon learned to find calm and see Caitlyn’s strength as support.
• 00:28:03 – Simplicity of Healing: They close by showing how simple practices and rewired beliefs unlock peace and freedom.

This week on The Grounded Union Podcast, hosts Brandon and Caitlyn Doerksen expose the myth that dates are the key to a healthy marriage. Through their own story, they reveal that while they went on many dates during the most tumultuous years of their marriage, their deepest connection was forged in the last five years, a period with very few dates. The episode offers a new perspective on what it means to be truly connected, emphasizing that intentionality in everyday moments is far more powerful than a weekly dinner out. Brandon and Caitlyn provide actionable advice, such as confronting hidden secrets and eliminating distractions like screens, to rebuild a relationship from the ground up. They also highlight the power of nature and physical touch to restore peace and intimacy. Tune in to learn how to create a marriage where every day is enjoyable and peace is the norm.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Introduction: Brandon opens with a vision for what most couples long for—true peace and connection—and sets the stage for why that often feels out of reach.
• 00:02:32 – The Date Night Myth: The hosts challenge the belief that prioritizing frequent date nights is the key to a strong marriage, sharing how their most tumultuous years were filled with them.
• 00:05:07 – Date Night ≠ Connection: A comparison emerges between date nights and “punching your church card”—they're not inherently bad, but they don't guarantee real relational growth or peace on their own.
• 00:08:34 – Dates as a Cherry on Top: Caitlyn reframes their perspective, explaining how they experience daily "dates" through intentional everyday moments rather than scheduled romantic outings, with the date being the cherry on top of an existing connection.
• 00:12:09 – The Magnet Analogy: The powerful analogy of magnets explaining how hidden secrets and unresolved issues act as a repellent force, preventing genuine intimacy and connection.
• 00:17:26 – The Power of Nature for Connection: Discussion turns to how outdoor time naturally regulates emotions and fosters connection, contrasting sharply with life in "insulated boxes.”
• 00:18:09 – Screen Detox: The transformative impact of removing screens from daily life gets revealed, offering listeners a powerful strategy for bridging relationship gaps.
• 00:22:31 – What to Talk About: Brandon and Caitlyn offer practical advice on how to fill your screen-free time, suggesting conversations about your day, parenting, and addressing past sexual brokenness.
• 00:23:59 – Their Nightly Connection Ritual: A glimpse into their evening routine featuring candlelit couch time in a screen-free environment designed to nurture both physical and emotional intimacy.
• 00:30:30 - Shared Intentions and Future Plans: The conversation concludes with insights on discussing shared goals, beliefs, and future aspirations as foundation stones for stronger partnership bonds.

In this episode of The Grounded Union Podcast, we dive deep into why addiction relapse is so devastatingly common and how couples can break free from this destructive cycle forever. Brandon and Caitlyn Doerksen share their raw journey through five years of repeated relapse before discovering the root-level healing that changed everything. They reveal why surface-level solutions fail and introduce their "roots and rewiring" approach - examining childhood trauma, spiritual beliefs, and life paradigms that keep people trapped. The hosts emphasize getting to the core wounds rather than just managing symptoms, challenging listeners to treat addiction recovery not as minor adjustments but as a complete life transformation. Most provocatively, they advocate for total transparency between spouses - sharing every secret, memory, and struggle without exception. Their message: true freedom isn't about willpower or accountability groups, but about digging deep into your story, rewiring your thoughts, and creating the life you actually want to live rather than one you need to escape from.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Why We’re Talking About Relapse: Brandon introduces the episode’s focus on why relapse to addiction is so common, sharing their personal five-year journey through relapse and the importance of healing at the root level.
• 00:01:50 – Relapse Cycle and Surface-Level Healing: The historical pattern of getting caught, crying, apologizing, seeking help, and repeated relapse over months to years
• 00:04:13 – The Need for Root System Work: Caitlyn discusses their realization that staying on the surface level with addiction was not working and that they needed to "dig way deeper" to get to the root of the issue.
• 00:07:15 – First Root Category - Childhood Exploration: Why deep, sustainable change comes from exploring past wounds and patterns with curiosity instead of shame.
• 00:14:55 – Tracing Addiction Back to Childhood Origins: The importance of identifying when and how addictive behaviors first appeared in childhood, and many addictions—whether porn, alcohol, food, or work—are intertwined and rooted in early experiences.
• 00:17:06 – Second Root Category - Spirituality: How spiritual beliefs—especially from Christian upbringings—can create paradigms that normalize or even excuse relapse.
• 00:19:32 – Third Root Category - Personal Paradigms: Assessing your beliefs about yourself, your marriage, and your ability to achieve freedom from addiction.
• 00:22:58 – Living Free from Relapse: What it looks like to live a life free from relapse, based on their own last five years of sobriety.
• 00:26:34 – The 30-Day Rewiring Process: Brandon details the exact steps he took over 30 days that rewired his brain and eliminated his compulsions.
• 00:32:49 – The 4R's Technique: Brandon introduces their practical rewiring tool - Recognize the thought, Receive peace in your body, Release the old pattern, Replace with new behavior.
• 00:34:53 – The One Thing Nobody Told Us: Sharing absolutely everything - every memory, thought, current struggle, and past experience without exception.

In today’s episode of Grounded Union Podcast, discover how to distinguish between surface-level apologies and genuine transformation. Brandon and Caitlyn Doerksen tackle one of the hardest questions couples face: “Does my spouse truly want to change?” Through raw personal stories of repeated betrayals, false starts, and painful honesty, they highlight the subtle yet powerful signs of authentic change. From nervous system regulation to the hard work of transparency, this episode sheds light on both red flags and green lights for anyone navigating broken trust.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Season 2, Episode 4: Caitlyn explains that when partners ask if change is possible, it’s usually about deeper wounds, not just curiosity.
• 00:01:37 – Brandon quotes, “When the pain of staying is greater than the fear of leaving, that’s when people choose change.”
• 00:02:43 – What Real Change Requires: They emphasize that transformation is measured by consistent investment, not by promises or workshops attended.
• 00:03:39 – Two Destructive Responses: How passivity and defensiveness sabotage connection and keep couples stuck.
• 00:05:30 – Stuck in the Same Cycle: They reflect on years of repeating the same wounds despite therapy, church, and community.
• 00:07:05 – Caitlyn’s Breaking Point: Another betrayal in 2019 forces Caitlyn to question if their marriage could truly survive.
• 00:08:43 – Radical Intimacy Defined: Caitlyn sets a new standard for union: no hiddenness, no secrets, no separation.
• 00:10:30 – Brandon Commits to Change: He agrees to strip away distractions and fully reorient his life toward healing.
• 00:11:41 – The Six-Month Window: Real transformation requires months of consistent effort, not instant results.
  00:16:01 – Daily Work Over Quick Fixes: Healing came through daily accountability and practice rather than weekend intensives.
• 00:20:00 – Radical Transparency Builds Safety: True intimacy deepened only when Brandon confessed even the “small” lapses consistently.
• 00:26:02 – Defining a Shared Vision of Union:  Both commit to exclusivity, honesty, and a clear standard for their future together.
• 00:35:00 – Choosing Who You Want to Become: Focus less on “how” to change and more on “who” they want to become.

This week on The Grounded Union Podcast, discover how Christian disciplines like prayer, fasting, and Bible reading—despite being foundational practices—sometimes fall short in saving marriages. Hosts Brandon and Caitlyn Doerksen bravely share their journey from passionate missionaries with an impeccable "spiritual resume" to facing severe marital struggles, exposing the dangerous gap between spiritual disciplines and emotional maturity. Despite daily Bible reading, prayer, fasting, multiple church services, and even Brandon's 40-day fast, their marriage was crumbling with addiction, betrayal, and disconnection. They reveal how Western Christianity's segmented approach creates fragmented lives where spiritual practices become escape mechanisms rather than tools for authentic intimacy. This episode challenges listeners to stop hiding behind religious performance and start doing the real work of integrating shadow parts of themselves. A paradigm-shifting conversation that offers hope to couples who've tried everything "spiritual" but still feel emotionally distant from their spouse.

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Timestamps & Key Moments:

• 00:00:28 – Introduction and Resources: The hosts introduce the episode's central question and their intention to share their own story of struggling despite practicing Christian disciplines. They invite listeners regardless of their faith background, and highlight available resources like the Grounded Nation men's community app and the Maui 3-day Marriage Intensive.
• 00:01:57 – How We Met and Early Marriage: Caitlyn begins sharing how she and Brandon met as missionaries in Ecuador, bonded over their shared vision for ministry, and eventually got married.
• 00:03:16 – The Vision for Ministry and Marriage: Brandon elaborates on their early vision to be lifelong missionaries, rescue women from sex trafficking, and start orphanages.
• 00:07:24 – The Spiritual Resume: They emphasize their "spiritual resume" of church, prayer, fasting, and discipline, and how it ultimately didn’t prevent their disconnect.
• 00:10:14 – The Segmented Christian Life: Many Western Christians live "segmented" lives, separating their spiritual self from their practical and relational selves.
• 00:18:20 – The Gospel's Invitation to Face Pain: The gospel isn't an excuse to ignore pain but an invitation to face it, heal, and integrate every part of oneself.
• 00:23:09 – Freedom from Cuffs: True freedom is possible if one uncuffs themselves from limiting belief systems and steps into the hope and love of Christ.
• 00:24:47 – What Must I Do?: The common question about earning freedom challenges the idea that spirituality is about achieving or attaining.
• 00:29:44 – The Shadow Parts of You: What is often labeled as "temptation" or "sin nature" is the unintegrated "shadow parts" of oneself that need to be welcomed and healed.
• 00:33:54 – God is in Every Moment: Dismantling the idea of separation from God; God is present in every moment of life.