In the final episode of this first series of podcasts, Bev Fitzsimons discusses humanised healthcare in mental health services with Bev (Bhairavi) Sapre, Consultant Psychiatrist at Cheshire and Wirral Partnership NHS Foundation Trust. Bev brings a range of perspectives from her psychiatry career: she works in the perinatal service at Cheshire and Wirral, but combines this with long-standing service as an army reservist. She has worked as a psychiatrist for the military and, as a visiting professor at the University of Cheshire, she conducts research into the wellbeing of veterans. Bev and Bev talk about how patients' perspectives can be brought to bear on services supporting mental health and women's experience of pregnancy and birth - two areas of healthcare with a strong record of service user involvement.