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January 16, 2017 Episode 053: The Patristic Era (Church History Pt.1)
Early Church History
When it comes to engaging the present culture with the gospel, one of the most important things we can do is engage the past culture of the church – early church history. In short, there is an immense benefit in studying church history. Church history is our family tree, so to speak, and studying it helps us know who we are and where we came from. That’s why we, at indoubt, decided it would be beneficial to take four episodes and tackle the four major time periods since Jesus ascended – that being the Patristic Era, the Medieval Period, the Reformation, and the Modern Era. Committed to bringing us the major movements and people through these periods is Dr. Michael Haykin, a church history professor at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Because this content is heavy, we decided to split the four episodes into two separate 2-week series. So, without any more explanation, here we are beginning the first 2-week series looking this week at the Patristic Era, and then next week at the Medieval Period.
Episode Links
Check out The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (where Dr. Michael Haykin teaches).

Also, check out The Andrew Fuller Center for Baptist Studies (where Dr. Haykin serves as director).
Read It
*Below is an edited transcription of the audio conversation.
Introduction

I’m excited to begin a new 2-week series digging into the topic of church history. Joining me to do much more of the talking than me is Dr. Michael Haykin. Thanks for coming on the show.
Pleasure to be with you.

Dr. Haykin is a professor of church history and biblical spirituality at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, as well as director of The Andrew Fuller Centre for Baptist Studies. It’s great to be chatting with you today, about this specific subject. Michael has actually committed to taking us through four time periods in regards to some of the major moves and figures in and through church history beginning this week with the Patristic era and its heritage – looking at years 100-700 AD.
But before we jump in there, Michael, would you mind telling us a little bit about who you are personally? And maybe tell us when church history became a topic of interest for you.
Yeah, it’s a pleasure. I’ve always loved history. I was born in England, so I had the privilege of growing up in a context where there was a lot of history. I mean, older history around. You could see the visible remains of medieval fortresses and castles and things like that. I can’t remember a time I really didn’t feel passionately about history. Obviously as a boy it’s directed differently – the questions you’re asking are different. But I can’t remember, as I said, a time when I didn’t passionately love history; and, really, that history is my goal. So when I was converted at the age of twenty, it was in some ways logical for the Lord to direct my path into an area that the Lord had already given me these desires unbeknownst to me obviously. And so, providentially the Lord has been very kind and gracious over the years to give me positions where I can teach history and get paid for what I love.

That’s great. And how long have you been at the current seminary you teach at now?
I started teaching there part-time (adjunct) in 2002, and full-time beginning January 2008.
Key Events of the Early Church

Okay, that’s great. Thanks for that little story, that’s awesome. Well, let’s jump in here Michael. The Patristic era and its heritage. And you’ve called this “Jesus Christ is Lord.’” So, tell us about this.
24 min
January 09, 2017 Episode 052: Rethinking Worship Music
It’s a delight to be talking with songwriter and musical composer Cody Curtis (Psallos) this week on rethinking worship music. Cody, who has a doctorate in music composition, comes at music ministry with a great perspective – a perspective that may be lacking in the church today. Our conversation involves talking about the “blind follow…
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32 min
January 09, 2017 Episode 052: Rethinking Worship Music
It’s a delight to be talking with songwriter and musical composer Cody Curtis (Psallos) this week on rethinking worship music. Cody, who has a doctorate in music composition, comes at music ministry with a great perspective – a perspective that may be lacking in the church today. Our conversation involves talking about the “blind follow of popular worship music,” what discernment looks like, and breaking free from the “norm” and being creative (yet smart). One of Cody’s great accomplishments is the release of ROMANS (see link below), a musical journey through the ancient letter from Paul to the Church in Rome.
Episode Links
Check out ROMANS by Psallos (the project Cody made with past students from Union University).

Listen to Josh Garrels’ rendition of What Wondrous Love Is This (Cody gave this hymn as an example of a song written in the dorian church mode).
Read It
*Below is an edited transcription of the audio conversation.

It’s a privilege and an honour to be talking with a very talented musical composer, songwriter, and probably other things as well. Cody Curtis is our guest on the show for this week. Thanks so much for coming on the show!

Thanks so much for having me.

A couple months ago now I came across this album online called Romans. Underneath the word “Romans” was this little word called Psallos. I was like “Hey, this kind of looks cool!” And I began to listen and actually really enjoyed what I was listening to. It was pretty much this musical journey through the book of Romans. I was like, “Wow, that’s intense!” So, upon exploring a little bit more about this musical group called Psallos, I came across this guy, or one of the guys behind the project, and that is who you’re listening to, his name is Cody. He’s here with us today.
But before we spend a few minutes digging into musical worship and creative musical worship as well, Cody, why don’t you share with us briefly who you are personally and then also how Psallos came about.

Yeah, so my name’s Cody Curtis. I live in Jackson, Tennessee. I work at a school called Union University here, it’s a private Christian school. Great university. I’m married to my wife, her name is Melody – very fittingly, her name is Melody. We have one child, a daughter named Elowen. She’s sixteen months right now, so she’s a lot of fun. I graduated from Union with an undergrad in music theory, and I did my Master’s in composition at the University of North Carolina, and I just in May 2016 graduated with my doctorate in music composition at the University of Memphis. So, I love music. I’ve really enjoyed all my training.
I love writing music in particular. Let’s see. I got into music when I was young, kind of late in the game, but went through all the steps to catch up. My wife and I, when we were in North Carolina while I was doing my masters, I was writing music for the school, but we just had this desire to write music for the church. I had grown up like most teenage guys, writing songs just, love songs, and the Lord really matured me during this time theologically – understanding the power of Scripture and what Christian worship is. So, we just had this desire to write music for the church – music that was artistically excellent, clear and edifying in the way that the lyrics were written and that was consistent with sound theology as the Scriptures show.
We started Psallos in 2012. It was really just a small thing – my wife and I. Our first album was almost entirely my wife and I doing all the playing and all the singing.
32 min
January 02, 2017 Episode 051: Why Study the Bible? with Tim Mackie
This week on the indoubt podcast to kick off the new year is Tim Mackie – one of the guys behind The Bible Project. This week on the show we ask the question: why study the Bible? Tim has devoted his life to both studying and teaching the Bible, so we knew he’d be a great fit for this conversation. Also, he’s from Portland, Oregon. So he’s got that going for him.

Episode Links
Check out The Bible Project.

Check out Read Scripture. (The app Tim helped created).
Read It
Below is an edited transcription of the audio conversation.*

I have the privilege and honour of speaking with Tim Mackie today, all the way from Portland, Oregon. Thanks for coming on the show!

Absolutely, it’s great to be here.

Tim is a pastor at a Church in Portland, as well as one of the two guys behind The Bible Project, I mean, we only think it’s two guys, maybe there’s more! I’m sure there are. Why don’t you share a little bit about who you are as a person.

Yeah, sure. So yes, I’m Tim Mackie. I hail from Portland, Oregon, where I have a few too many jobs, but they’re all related to teaching the Scriptures, so that’s a dream come true. I serve on the pastoral team on a part-time basis, but mainly just teaching in a Church here in Portland called Door of Hope. I’m also a part-time professor of Old Testament at Western Seminary here in Portland. And the main thing I’m doing right now is part of a creative design studio called The Bible Project. I’m kind of the Bible nerd, so really what I do is I read a lot, and then I go into rooms with really creative people and we create short animated films that explore all the books of the Bible and main theological themes in the Bible.

That’s great. When I think of the term “Bible Study,” I mean, it’s thrown around a lot. Churches say “Hey, we’ve got these Bible Study groups” and so on. But I feel like a lot of people aren’t quite sure exactly what everything “Bible Study” means. So when you say to someone, “Hey, you should study the Bible!” what are you actually telling them to do? What does it mean to study the Bible?

Yeah. You know, it’s interesting, in one sense I don’t really ever tell someone to study the Bible. I’d more tell them to follow Jesus and that part of being a disciple of Jesus means immersing yourself in the story that Jesus saw Himself as a part of and as the culmination of. One of the main ways that I have access to Jesus, to become His disciple, is reading the accounts of His life and teachings in the New Testament. There’s a very close relationship between Jesus and the Bible. Now, I don’t have a personal relationship with the Bible. For me it’s about knowing and following Jesus who loved me and gave Himself for me, and one of the primary ways that I do that is to read through the Scriptures.

So obviously they’re texts, so you read them. But we all know that you read and engage the headlines of a newspaper, a non-fiction book, and a novel, say, by John Steinbeck, in really different ways. We read different texts in different ways. So the Scriptures are a kind of text that’s very similar to just really high literary art – it’s theological art, but it’s art nonetheless. Just like how Moby Dick or East of Eden requires slow, pondering, and rereading – the Bible’s more a book like that, but on steroids. You can just read it on a surface level, read a story about David or Abraham, and read one of Paul’s letters. But the way that the whole Bible is designed is to inv...
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December 26, 2016 Episode 050: Living Off-Centre
Mark Koop, Executive Director of Greater Vancouver’s Youth Unlimited, joins us on the podcast this week to help us understand what it means to live as “off-centred” Christians. Also, how can we, as Christians, live “incarnate” lives? What does it mean to live like Jesus when it comes to relating to others? Episode Links youthunlimited.com…
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28 min
December 26, 2016 Episode 050: Living Off-Centre
Mark Koop, Executive Director of Greater Vancouver’s Youth Unlimited, joins us on the podcast this week to help us understand what it means to live as “off-centred” Christians. Also, how can we, as Christians, live “incarnate” lives? What does it mean to live like Jesus when it comes to relating to others?

Episode Links
youthunlimited.com (Youth Unlimited’s main site)
yfccanada.org (Youth For Christ’s main site)
Read It
*Below is an edited transcription of the audio conversation.

Well it’s great to be with Mark Koop today in the studio. Mark is the Executive Director for Youth Unlimited in the Greater Vancouver area. Thanks for coming on the show!

It’s great to be here. Thanks for having me Isaac.

Yeah definitely! I don’t remember exactly when it was, but we got together a few months ago and we just started to chat. You started to get into this idea of living this Christ-like life very intentionally – living this incarnate life. I really enjoyed what you had to say. So, I’d like to get into that conversation. Before we get there, though, why don’t you first share a little bit about who you are as a person. And also tell us what it’s like to be the Executive Director of Youth Unlimited in the Greater Vancouver area.

Great. Well first off, I’m a follower of Jesus. I’m also a husband and a father. I have two boys. I have a 13-year-o. I have a teenager in the home now which is quite a wild ride – and fun. I’ve worked with teenagers for so long – now I actually have one that lives with me. And I have a 9-year-old son. So I’m pretty busy with that. The whole plan with my wife and I was to not be outnumbered, so we’ve managed to achieved that. We can divide and conquer our children. And, I live on the North Shore in a community called Deep Cove. I’ve been there for probably about, I guess about 8 years. I grew up in Winnipeg and started working with an organization called Youth for Christ there. That led me to come out here and work particularly with skateboard kids initially. And now I’m the Executive Director of Greater Vancouver Youth Unlimited, which is a Youth for Christ ministry.

And for those haven’t heard of Youth for Christ, it ultimately started way back with Billy Graham didn’t it?

Yeah, way back! Our chapter was established in 1947.

Yeah. So this is an established, historic ministry.

It is, yeah. We’ve been around for quite a while. The work’s evolved over time. It started initially with these huge rallies where young people were encouraged to invite their friends, and they would come and hear people on stage share about the gospel and come to Jesus and meet Him in that way. And that was exciting. And there’s still some of that that kind of happens through different things. But, essentially it’s become a lot more relational. A lot of smaller groups and one-on-one with large group expressions as well.

Yeah, that’s awesome. I grew up in a Christian home, and when I was in probably grade 9 or 10 I started to struggle a little bit, and there was this guy in my church who my mom connected me with. His name was Calvin and he was working with Youth Unlimited for a while at that point. And he took me under his wing, and started taking me to all these different group session things. We even played with action figures together! Here was this grown man who was married and we were playing with each other. It was weird! He went skateboarding with me and all those kinds of things too, which was so strange. But, he is a huge part of my life and of my faith. Even just within a year, in January, it was a privilege having him standing next to me as I got m...
28 min
December 19, 2016 Episode 049: The Historical Jesus with Sean McDowell
How can we know Jesus rose again? It’s the week before Christmas, and people may be thinking What’s Christmas all about anyway? To help answer this on a very logical level is popular Christian apologist Sean McDowell. Sean helps show us how we can believe in the historical Jesus – that He really lived, died,…
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December 19, 2016 Episode 049: The Historical Jesus with Sean McDowell
How can we know Jesus rose again?
It’s the week before Christmas, and people may be thinking What’s Christmas all about anyway? To help answer this on a very logical level is popular Christian apologist Sean McDowell. Sean helps show us how we can believe in the historical Jesus – that He really lived, died, and rose again. He also encourages us to remember to evangelize during this season.
Episode Links
seanmcdowell.org (Sean’s site where you can access free resources and purchase books)
More Than a Carpenter (Intro book to the historical Jesus)
The Jesus Legend (Scholarly book on the historical Jesus)
ALSO, check out the number of New Testament manuscripts against other ancient texts (Jake and I talk about this at the end of the episode).
Read It
*Below is an edited transcription of the audio conversation.

Well I’m on the phone today with a man by the name of Sean McDowell. Sean is a gifted Christian leader and speaker, and is quite well known for speaking on apologetics. Anyways, great to have you on the show today Sean!

Thanks for having me Isaac.

I saw on your site that in 2014 you earned a PhD in Apologetics and Worldview Studies from The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. How was that journey?

Well, it was honestly one of the hardest things I have ever done because I did it in my thirties with young kids and a full-time job. It was early mornings and late nights. So, it was tough, but it was certainly rewarding, and I learned a lot that helped me in my life and ministry.

That’s great, I’ve heard good things coming out of that seminary. And although you’ve never actually seen me, I actually have seen you in person at the Apologetics Canada conference a couple years ago. You were one of the featured speakers and I really loved your presentation You sort of put on the act as an atheist and had people ask you questions. I don’t know if you remember, but it was great. It was a lot of fun.

I remember that well, yeah, that is my favourite presentation to do. It kind of stirs people up.

What I think is the funniest thing though, is that after you finished the atheist act, said to everyone, “I know I sounded believable, but I was just kind of making things up as well.”

Yeah, some things I do make up. I mean, part of the spiel is to just get people thinking. “Okay, do I really know what I believe and why?” When I manipulate the conversation and take it off track, people again kind of go “Woah, I really got to think through how I have conversations, and whether I’m ready or not to defend my faith.”

That’s great. Anyways, today, to our listeners, I want to talk with Sean or rather hear from him quickly about the historical Jesus. And I know this is a huge topic, so we’re just going to try and condense it down to a 25-minute conversation. The fact is, Jesus was a literal human being who really died and really rose again. But, before we jump in, could you, in a few sentences, let us know who you are?

Yeah sure. I live in Southern California. I teach full-time at Biola University in a graduate apologetics program. I also teach high school part-time. I did that ten years full-time, high-school at a Christian school. And I just stayed there because my kids are there, and I just love hanging out with high school students. I teach a couple classes on worldview, Bible and theology. And then I get a little chance to speak and write and do cool podcasts like this.
30 min
December 12, 2016 Episode 048: Love Without Compromise (Sexual Identity Part 3)
In our third episode of our Sexual Identity series, we finish up with three ways to respond to the LGBT community lovingly, yet without compromising on the truth.
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19 min
December 12, 2016 Episode 048: Love Without Compromise (Sexual Identity Part 3)
In our third episode of our Sexual Identity series, we finish up with three ways to respond to the LGBT community lovingly, yet without compromising on the truth.
19 min

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