In this episode, we go deep on the current phase (the invisible primary) of the 2024 presidential primaries with Mike Murphy, who has worked on a number of presidential campaigns, as well as run 26 gubernatorial and US Senate races across the country. Murphy was a top strategist for John McCain, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. He’s a political analyst for NBC and MSNBC. He’s co-host of the critically acclaimed "Hacks on Tap" podcast. Mike is also co-director of the University of Southern California’s Center for the Political Future.

Articles we discuss in this episode:

Mike Murphy -- "Iowa Is a Big Problem for Trump" -- https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/iowa-is-a-big-problem-for-trump

Matthew Yglesias -- "Ron DeSantis is struggling without the Covid issue" -- https://www.slowboring.com/p/ron-desantis-is-struggling-without