So says at least Kalle Lyytinen, our guest today. He is the head of the Case mafia - or so at least Jan says - and the main referent of the infamous Erdős-Bacon-Lyytinen number – or so at least Nick says. We pick Kalle's brain a little bit to learn more about the origins of the information systems field and what is was really like in the 80s and 90s. We also talk about publishing in the old days and now, the debates in our field at that time and why they stopped, and what we can learn from the past that helps us advance as scholars in the future. As usual, the readings we refer to are listed on http://www.janrecker.com/this-is-research-podcast/.