There’s a lot of martial arts content online that looks impressive—but taken out of context, it can confuse people fast.
In this episode of The John Hallett Podcast, we break down one of the biggest misconceptions in self-defense training: the belief that any system—Krav Maga included—can magically neutralize a highly trained fighter.
That’s not reality.
If someone has years of boxing, wrestling, or BJJ experience, and you’ve been training for six months, you’re already behind. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling fantasy.
What Krav Maga is designed to do is far more honest—and far more useful.
It focuses on teaching the 20% of skills that solve about 80% of real-world problems:
- Awareness
- De-escalation
- Gross-motor, high-percentage movements
- Decision-making under stress
That matters because most real-world attacks aren’t clean, technical, or fair. They’re chaotic. Emotional. Close. And often involve people with little to no formal training—not elite competitors.
We also talk about how social media creates false comparisons:
- Competition techniques shown as “self-defense”
- Advanced movements taught to beginners
- Videos designed to “debunk” other systems by changing the context
That’s not education. That’s confusion.
Self-defense isn’t about winning exchanges or proving superiority. It’s about using the right tool for the right moment—or better yet, avoiding the fight entirely when possible.
One example we discuss: a training scenario where de-escalation was the correct answer—but a student defaulted to striking simply because they were “in range.” That choice escalated a situation that didn’t need to become violent.
That’s a training failure—not a technique failure.
The takeaway is simple:
- Context matters
- Probability matters
- Principles matter more than flashy techniques
And most of all, how you train is how you default under stress.
If your training ignores awareness, escalation control, and decision-making, no amount of technique will save you.
🎧 Listen to the full episode for the full breakdown, examples, and real talk.
Podcast Transcript 1.10.25
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome back. I'm John Hallett, and joined with me is Josh Hammerling. How you guys doing? Been a little bit since we recorded a podcast. Today, we're talking about this and that. I had some other things on my mind, but we're gonna stick to I hate to use the word
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: and, you know, some of that kinda thing, but there is so much there on the internet, that people put out videos and it's just out of context, you know. We, Josh and I watched a couple videos out there, and there's some great stuff. I always sometimes say, "Look, if you just specialize in one thing, yeah, you're gonna kick my butt at it." Like I am not as strong as I could be for my body weight if I just focused on strength, you know. I wanna be all around good and prepared, and I see a lot of competition self-defense martial arts out there talking about, you know, some of these worst case scenarios for them against a skilled fighter. And that's not what's gonna happen in a common street attack. If you get attacked by somebody that specializes in something, you're in trouble already.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Especially as a low level beginner, and that's just reality. I mean, we're very upfront with our students, like you gotta put in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, just because you're doing a self-defense system and you've been training it six months, you know, great. You got six months of training. But somebody could come after you that's got, you know, two years of training.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna be better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So And people always wanna be better, you know. I was talking to a guy this week, you know, "I'm not that good on the ground." like, "You're not good at stand up either."
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: "You're not good at this or that." It's just slow, steady work. And what we're talking about in Krav Maga is, you know, especially at the basic level, of course we wanna expand and we wanna get better, but what's so... The misconception so many times on Krav Maga is that it's the end all, be all against somebody that is a high level
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: ... of, you know, whatever it is. Wrestler, BJJ, boxer, right? You're not gonna outbox a skilled boxer.
Speaker 2: No. I've tried.
Speaker 1: That's right. As a beginner. That is just the reality. What Krav Maga really tries to get beginners at is, we're gonna teach you 20% of the fight that's gonna get you ... 80% of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know? It's kinda the opposite of how you should eat. The 80/20 rule. 80% of the
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: ... eat right. And you've gotta build on that, right? Even if you're like 50/50. You're, you're upping your odds, and that's all just in training. And I see a lot of videos that, you know, are taken out of context, whether it's Krav Maga person, self-defense person, and you can make different things look bad no matter what. You know? Sometimes people in self-defense world will make a technique that some of the other practitioner style is doing and make it look bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, that's just, you know, playing to the hits and all ... type of stuff on social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then, like, trying to expect people to be able to pull off advanced techniques when they're lower belts for self-defense, and like they're incorporating it into whatever they do, it just kinda does a disservice to people that, are trying to learn how to defend themselves, because the, the average person can't pull off some crazy moves I've seen out there that people apply to self-defense. And there's so much going on. I I mean, when I first started with you, I barely knew where to put my hands, let alone how to grab somebody and do something, right? It just... you gave me enough to start getting to where I needed to go, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And kind what you're talking about there.
Speaker 1: It's trying to be well-rounded.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, a little bit of this, and, you know.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: And, you know, Krav Maga is definitely added, especially here, but I know my instructor and other friends of mine like to add more ground because more people are
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: more ground fighting and grappling than, you know, the decades where Karate Kid and Jean-Claude Van
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: were super popular, and more people were doing that type of stuff. You know, you gotta shift, 'cause that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Self-defense. Like what, what's the greatest probability this is gonna happen to somebody in the street? And for the most part, you know, you look at just common street fights, what are that... What's that person doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not highly
Speaker 2: Yeah, no.
Speaker 1: ... if it's a highly skilled person that gets you, you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: You're in
Speaker 1: Like I'm not
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, Eric my BJJ coach, you know, I'm not gonna... I mean, he's bigger than me, whatever. You know, you're like I can't go against him.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 1: If somebody specializes, just like I
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: ... you know, if you put John just specializing in strength and then John that's trying to be all rounded,
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: ... you know, all things equal, yeah, John that just specializes in strength, he's gonna be stronger.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to compete with him because that's his specialty. And that's the other confusion on Krav Maga, we're trying to be well rounded.
Speaker 2: sure. We... lots of different things. If, if you only do one particular kind of... I, don't say this again. Like in self-defense you can't kinda specialize in just one thing because you don't know what's being thrown at you. It's so random at times.
Speaker 1: Well,
Speaker 2: Like have to have my hands. I have to have some ground.
Speaker 1: Well, and you have to have the awareness skills
Speaker 2: that
Speaker 1: you know, a competition fight you know, isn't looking for a guy reaching for a knife. I'm sorry, guys. That's just the way it is. Like how you train is how you fight, and if you're just caught up in that, you're gonna miss other things. It was like I
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: We had some beginners in the class, and I was like, "Here's a red belt in Krav Maga, and look."Situation was parking lot, you know, guy's mad at you, he hit the car, and I'm kind of, you know, in her space, but I'm trying to look for her, and the drill was deescalation.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: That's all I want you to do. Attacker's not showing any signs of attacks or grabbing or, you know, threatening, you know, gestures. They're just mad.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: And she kicked me.
Speaker 2: Oof.
Speaker 1: And I went, "Okay, that's her call."
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: to beginners. I'm like, "Krav Maga people are bad at this a lot the times. You just started a fight."
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: "Could you have deescalated?"
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem. You're now looking, like, okay, I'm in front kick range. Well, great. It wasn't necessarily the right thing. Maybe that's your tactics. I'm gonna say if that's what you felt you had to do, go ahead, but let's think about did you need to kick him?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Could you have gotten around?
Speaker 2: Did you use the right tool?
Speaker 1: yeah, did you use the right tool? That type of thing.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really tough.
Speaker 2: But, okay, do you see people out there that try to start confusing stuff that would be the right tool? Like, I, I mean,
Speaker 1: The right tool?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's say, like,
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Are there people out there that would say this tool is better than this one because we've done it this way for years and years and years? But it's a super hard thing to do, right? Like some of the stuff we do is just clearing the neck, and it's a simple move 'cause it's lot of high gross motor skills. But when you start adding complexity, I mean, the average lay student can't even grasp it. And, like, the self-defense for, like a preeminent let's say, just a like a kung fu guy would be different than somebody else. And they're, they're... Or even, like, the competition stuff they do, like, is it, is it the same kind of tool that they're using in their sport that you're gonna use in self-defense? And I guess there might be some gap, but for the most part, a lot of the tools used
Speaker 1: where you gotta follow the principles of Krav Maga.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: did that, you know... Is that taking it to the ground? Is it, you know, building off of instinct, a principle? You know, there's tons of great things where like, "Yeah, that's good, but it's breaking this self-defense or Krav Maga principle."
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, come behind me and put me in an armbar choke. You know, get around, go around, go.
Speaker 2: I'm coming, I'm coming, coming, I'm coming.
Speaker 1: Don't rush and kill yourself. Like, I saw a guy, you know, do a throw from here. Now, I'm not at the end of the lever here.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: And if I have this arm injured, you know, this arm, we're trying to, you know, pull down at the end of the lever and punch our shoulder in there, versus this is instinctive but this hand's doing nothing.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: Right? If I... And I'm smaller, right? I wanna be, you know, following some principles. And you can see, I like to double up that hand and hey, under stress, I'm gonna be glad to be here. But when I train, I'm going like this, bum, and I'm doubling up on that hand, and it's training this hand to go as deep as I can at the end of the lever. So, you know, I can I've seen videos like that. I think we saw... I I think it was after you were watching with me. You know, guys doing that, maybe going into a throw, but, hey, if I'm smaller, we're trying to follow principles. And I think you're getting sidetracked.
Speaker 2: A confused.
Speaker 1: And it was funny there was something else I was thinking of when you were talking there, and I totally lost my train of thought letting you talk.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: I should've cut you off.
Speaker 2: You didn't
Speaker 1: shouldn't hung you up as usual.
Speaker 2: figured asking questions like I already knew.
Speaker 1: it's pretty... I forget what I was totally thinking about when you were in there. But you've got a lot of martial arts, and a lot of things can work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But we're also, you're also training a low-level person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: you gotta bring them up to speed, and I see a lot of videos out there that just really kind of bad-mouth or make, you know, Krav Maga or self-defense look bad when they're talking about competition stuff.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: And that's just different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if a competition person grabs you this way, they're gonna do X. What I see common people
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
Speaker 1: you know, and kids, it's not the high-level person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're not doing an advanced move on you. They don't know to do X, Y and
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, in whatever context. But they'll put the Krav Maga technique and make it look bad.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: But they're all... You're going... Now you're facing the worst case scenario of somebody high-level.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You're going to lose. I'm sorry, that's reality. And competition guys know two people get in the ring, one person loses.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. That's good.
Speaker 1: reality. Not making a technique look bad, and maybe sending somebody to the wrong martial art. Like, what are you looking at? We have people come in and they kinda know from our website too, like, we have less and less, that we're a self-defense gym. We're not a competition gym.
Speaker 2: Oh,
Speaker 1: If you're looking to compete, that's not what we're doing. We're self-defense. That's what we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And people get confused on going to X, Y and Z martial art and going, "Oh, this is all about self-defense, because I saw a video and they're they're self-defense." But are they really?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: There are, you know... There can be good crossover and good instructors that teach both.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: But if you're in a competition-focused gym mainly, you know, are you really
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: the best self-defense that you could be getting?
Speaker 2: Sure. 'cause from their perspective, you're working on competition. Like, you're working on getting into the ring, you're working
Speaker 1: Weight classes.
Speaker 2: All that stuff,
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, it's really tough.
Speaker 2: Right, known variables.
Speaker 1: Even class is known. Hey, we're gonna spar today. You know you're showing up to sparring class.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There's mental prep that's goes on. Yeah, and what I'm thinking
Speaker 2: yeah, is that, that's a very kind of narrow percentage of people who wanna go to that competition realm and style.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't say narrow.
Speaker 2: Because
Speaker 1: I... You know, you're suddenly
Speaker 2: ...
Speaker 1: No, I mean, it's just... I don't know the, the statistics on there. I wouldn't... I hate to say narrow again, 'cause you're like, "Misinformation."
Speaker 2: Sure, what about
Speaker 1: Or or false information all that crap. More majority of people are never going to meet that, kind of thing.
Speaker 2: some, some guys, like, "I just wanna compete and beat up other guys."
Speaker 1: Sure,
Speaker 2: stroke my ego.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Dude, you know, it's what people are looking for. And that's why I wanted to bring up this topic. You know, it was I'm gonna forget his name. Brent Contreras the Glute, The Glute Guy, and he he does some great videos, compliments some people. If we have time, 'cause we're behind, I have a video, and I, I think the guy's BJJ is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: That's
Speaker 2: But I think a little bit of it is questionable on the average person.
Speaker 1: ... am I gonna
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: a 40-year-old housewife that's never done anything or hasn't done anything since high school a move like this, and is it breaking
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: self-defense, of did I take that fight to the ground on purpose? I think they do a good job of making the technique look bad, of, like, hit him in the groin, and it's kind of a funny video at the start that he clips in. But there's so much that, that are out here,
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted talk about people that are saying, you know, or misrepresenting their sport to make other things look bad and confusing the general public.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: I think that's huge. It's been a huge thing since 2020, and I think a whole lot of it was crap, right? That's why I hate to use the word misinformation. You're confusing people. Are you out of context to what the situation is? It's like when I talk about the rolling defense in Krav Maga. Going, it's somebody throwing something straight at you. If the fight geometry gets off and now that angle of that kick is it might be a front kick, but the angle is coming off. Now you're gonna use the other hand instead of the standard right hand or back side in your rolling defense when somebody's straight at you. You start taking things out of context, like, "It doesn't work." Well, it's out of context.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: angle is off. You know, people confuse that stuff. Or, "Hey, it's not working." And you're going, "Yeah, that's the fight." You're trying to do X, Y, and Z technique.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Keep saying that today. And they've they've changed the fight.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: it's different. You're trying to
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: and they've now just shifted their weight as the attacker. And now it's out of context.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a really hard thing,
Speaker 2: And they make a video that drives you nuts about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, "Come on." And that's where, you know, hey, great if you do both. We just kind of focus on that self-defense aspect.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think it can be hard, 'cause even, I haven't competed but I love sparring.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: And you can get caught up in sparring.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I probably said it on the podcast. Like one time, you know, when I really started doing BJJ, that I was up but I went back down, and I landed on the guy's accidental elbow. I just came into his elbow that he was just there. It wasn't like he threw an elbow strike and I bit off half my tongue. And in the ER, I'm like, "Why did I go back down?"
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, I was up in a way, but because I was grappling and thinking grappling and playing around, I went down and stayed down.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: You know, and that was, you know, that was 20 20 plus years ago now. You can get caught up in just stand up sparring
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: you know, this different stuff. And that's why we continue to try to evolve at RMSDF.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: You know, Clear Sky is our online portal guys. Rocky Mountain Self Defense and Fitness is our home in Castle Rock, Colorado. If you wanna support the podcast, check out SuckLess.co. We got some great supplements and if you know supplements, creatine is great all around. The research on it, it's not just for bodybuilders, it's for longevity. It's a great supplement. You can get it on SuckLess.co. Help us out so I can pay Josh for being my color guy.
Speaker 2: You're gonna pay me?
Speaker 1: Dude, you're on the clock right now. Are, did you clock out?
Speaker 2: I'm an employee?
Speaker 1: Oh, is that check going to somebody different? That goes directly to your wife 'cause you can't handle it.
Speaker 2: I'm out.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to mess with his wife.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I think he's more scared of his wife than me and she's like four foot two.
Speaker 2: You're the only one that's knocked me out, though. Well, came close.
Speaker 1: Came close. It wasn't rocking.
Speaker 2: know. I blocked with my face. But again, it was me blocking with my face and not ... not
Speaker 1: All right. I've got the utmost respect. What did we do to our screen here?
Speaker 2: It
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: know
Speaker 1: Oh, is that stupid banner?
Speaker 2: I can't see.
Speaker 1: what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I I don't even need glasses.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Remember your little screens over there?
Speaker 1: took over. I know, but what happened I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's down at the bottom right there. Right there. Whoa.
Speaker 1: I know it's right here somewhere, but no, it's not scrolling. Okay. Oh, get rid of that. There, but it still didn't change.
Speaker 2: You're scaring me. Like, there are days.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: You just made it bigger. That's okay. Look, it's back. Remember, and it's that little arrow right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was different a second ago.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: See, 'cause of that whatever took over.
Speaker 2: It's okay. You gonna set this up for us?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, all right and I can just let him talk. Utmost Respect, he kicked my ass BJJ all day. He's got a great channel. I watch his videos. He's got some good stuff out there. If you're just thinking just BJJ, and this one's, like, kind of, like, I think he says at the end, like, if a bouncer grabs you in this position, and it's something to think about.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Oh, actually I wanted to talk about the Minnesota thing. That's when we were talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In there, so, you know, again, context, you know, was that bouncer justified to grab you? All that kind of stuff is what we talk about. Maybe they weren't. Bouncers do stupid stuff all the time,
Speaker 2: Oh my.
Speaker 1: I talk about I was just telling the story about the Rose and Crown on Nantucket. Their bouncers were beating the living piss out of a guy into my brand new pickup truck and smashing his head into every panel.
Speaker 2: Mm-mm.
Speaker 1: But so who, you know, bouncers might not be justified but regardless, you know, just kind of talking about a standing guillotine choke here.
Speaker 3: Why grabbing the dick and twists for self-defense doesn't work. Grab his dick and twist it. So I mean
Speaker 1: Now first off, the guy might like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like some people call that foreplay.
Speaker 1: I... you know, I don't know. In there. Hey guys, we're recording. Sorry about that. You know, running an active gym
Speaker 2: job.
Speaker 1: ... trying to make a living.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But-... you know, grab it, you know, that can hurt a lot. We prefer to, I like to do an open hand strike.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't, this coming up and whoa, that, like full power.
Speaker 2: What happens if you miss?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can miss, that's why we have, you know, we build in that elbow strike
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: our technique,
Speaker 3: Choke right now. While he knows he's choking me, I'm gonna go grab his genitals. What's gonna happen to my face is I'm gonna meet the mat. Boom,
Speaker 1: Now, a good skilled wrestler might now sprawl
Speaker 2: yeah.
Speaker 1: and do that. I've had nobody do that. You know, you go, "Hey," been lucky, whatever with people coming to my gym and going, "All right, test the technique."
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: "Does it work?" But yeah, you are, if that guy sprawls out, yes,
Speaker 2: He knows magical stuff, right? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and I see kids grab people and none of the kids
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: sprawl out. So again, that's what we're talking
Speaker 2: It's
Speaker 1: ... you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Teaching the 20% to get
Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm even more trouble 'cause I'm in a turtle position. Another bright idea was punching. Same kind of idea. I'm not gonna have enough pressure here to punch and if I do hit him, it's gonna piss him off.
Speaker 1: He's standing away from him pretty far.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here and this guy is sprawling out his hips.
Speaker 2: yeah.
Speaker 1: He's got an elbow strike because of that on there.
Speaker 2: But again, he's a trained fighter
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on purpose, he's got some space
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: you know, talking about that punch, right? I think there was something else I was gonna say on that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: ... the pressure here to punch and if I do hit him, it's gonna piss him off.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's already pissed off. I believe. He's already grabbing their heels.
Speaker 2: Grabbed by their head.
Speaker 1: I mean, pissed
Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe more angry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more whatever may be, but, you know when you hit somebody, we're not thinking it's gonna end the fight in Krav Maga. I've got a whole video on Krav Maga people being stupid, thinking one strike is gonna end it. I just want to disrupt his nervous system for a split second so I can do something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Third request, knee him in the balls. How the hell am
Speaker 1: yeah, that's just, I don't know who thinks that you're gonna knee him in the balls.
Speaker 2: Or grab them whatever it.
Speaker 3: Another was she's 6'5".
Speaker 1: Yeah, if, if some Krav Maga person is saying that, they don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't get over his shoulder. I'm gonna grab his elbow, come inside, throw. Now, there's four other bouncers
Speaker 1: Now, that's a great throw.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know? But hitting your knee on the street, man, might not be the greatest. Might hurt tomorrow, you know, hey, as long as I'm home and it's hurting, but
Speaker 2: The grapple invite.
Speaker 1: To teach somebody to go to the ground, now you're forcing to go to the ground. Actually, big Jeff wasn't in class six, I was gonna film it for the podcast to have big Jeff do it to little Krissy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: and see how Krissy
Speaker 2: big Jeff.
Speaker 1: just being a little bit heavy as she drops down
Speaker 2: That's what
Speaker 1: ... and training. You know, we're talking the average person. Now, we want to get people better and better.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Before we have to wrap up, before the noon class my wife, of course Did you see the video in Minnesota?
Speaker 2: Yes,
Speaker 1: And I said, "No, Josh talked about it," but I was actually trying to work and I had to keep Josh
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: ... because I do pay him and if I let him go off the rails.
Speaker 2: I'd never go off the rails.
Speaker 1: Yes, you would.
Speaker 2: Just keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1: assist you. If you've seen that video, I didn't bring it up here, the, some of the stuff she was saying, she was passing him by and here's what I told my wife, "Who's to say he's, she's not gonna put it in reverse and run him or multiple law enforcement officers over?"
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just 'cause I lunge at you with a knife and I miss, you're outta the way. Do you need to shoot me? Absolutely, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't care if you lunged and fell six, seven feet away.
Speaker 2: What if she missed? Now what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: the the knife or my scenario or the real scenario.
Speaker 2: The real scenario. What if she missed? She was trying, what if she missed?
Speaker 1: She went at him, she might, who knows?
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 1: People are dumb and you did something and you fucked around and you found out. You, you know, you're doing
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: ... bullshit you're doing and you're jeopardizing somebody's life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right? And I, this guy wants to go home to his family, I guess he had some other incident my wife said that's come up on the internet. I didn't research it, but right there in that instant, I don't care, I, he's protecting himself, she's coming at him, she's showing deadly intent. He was in front of the vehicle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She kind of, he gets out of the way a little bit, maybe she's kinda missing. I, it was tough, but man, let me get in a
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: and you stand
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: and have me come at you.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, like
Speaker 1: You stupid internet people.
Speaker 2: Do you know
Speaker 1: All right, now I'm getting really fired up.
Speaker 2: ... it is when a vehicle comes at you and they just don't see you by accident? And all it
Speaker 1: Yeah. Never mind
Speaker 2: you're
Speaker 1: trying to detain
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: for whatever reason they were there, but there were multiple law enforcement on the scene.
Speaker 2: And let's say a 2000 pound vehicle just barely clips, you know how hard that's going to hurt you?
Speaker 1: I mean, you could just be disabled for life.
Speaker 2: Fly, nevermind.
Speaker 1: Just from a clip.
Speaker 2: That she showed deadly intent.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's something we focus here on, at Rocky Mountain Self Defense and Fitness. Hope you guys enjoyed this if you want more, you know, subscribe. We got a subscribe for three
Speaker 2: Same.
Speaker 1: ... you get a free suck less t-shirt. You know, we're just trying to be better here and again, I can't say it enough, I have the utmost respect for anybody that's doing any martial art but our specialty is self defense and we're really just trying to kind of do, do a little
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: maybe on false, miss, I hate the frigging word, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's just taking things out of context.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 1: What was your big word?
Speaker 2: Conflating two different things. He was taking a really advanced skill and conflating it with something that is not for the lay person. Assuming that those two skills would work together for everybody and they don't because I've gotta teach a 20 year old kid how to do that who's never done it, right?
Speaker 1: A 40 year old, a 50 year old
Speaker 2: A 60.
Speaker 1: that doesn't have any skill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just the thing and then it's just conflating and we're not attacking, we just want to debate it because that may not be the best thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We're all about open debate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, testing techniques and there's tons of great that work out there and just trying to stay in that self defense context is so huge.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: so huge. It's
Speaker 2: conflate.
Speaker 1: all about going home safe. Look at that, I worked in your big word for you 'cause you're the smart one. All right, guys, thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you guys next month, I guess, or check out, you know, a short or anything.
Speaker 2: Or just anything, what else?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Help us, help us out.
Speaker 2: Teaser videos.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Josh teased, that's awesome.
