Josh Gondelman and Kristen Meinzer host a sleepy-style basketball debate with Carl Tart.

What You'll Hear:

Pre-Bed Bath Wisdom: Carl brings a genuinely elite wind-down routine to the Pillow Fort... complete with Epsom salts, music, and big spa-at-home energy.

Snooze or Choose NBA Edition: The trio sorts through some very bedtime-friendly basketball questions, including cursed franchises, international stars, loyal fandom, and which fan bases deserve a little side-eye.

Goodnight With a Rivalry Twist: Carl sends one especially pointed goodnight into the night, then shares where listeners can find more of his podcasts and TV work.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro & greetings
00:45 Carl’s pre-bed bath routine
03:00 Are the Knicks forever cursed?
10:30 Are international players taking over basketball?
15:35 Does Boston have the worst fan base?
20:30 Carl’s goodnight to Jacquis Neal
21:20 Carl shares current projects
23:00 Goodnight and lights out

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