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“Until you know, stay. And when you know, go.” – Keith Moore
In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith shares a personal leadership lesson on one of the hardest challenges we face: staying committed when everything in us wants to leave.
Drawing from his own experience of navigating a difficult season at work, Doug explores why challenging circumstances don't always mean it's time to move on. He shares six practical lessons on developing perseverance, trusting God's timing, and recognizing the growth that can happen when we choose to stay the course.
Through stories from his own journey and his wife's career, Doug unpacks how to respond when things don't go your way, why the grass is greener where you water it, and how staying faithful through difficult seasons can lead to opportunities you never imagined. Whether you're struggling in your career, relationships, or leadership, this episode will encourage you to keep growing, trust the process, and remember that your current season won't last forever.
RESOURCES MENTIONED
Keith Moore – Teaching on Transitions
https://faithlife.org/php/mlmMediaSeriesContents.php?collectionID=8
L3 Leadership Podcast Episode #103: How to Handle Transitions in Our Lives
https://l3leadership.org/episode103/
The 5 Love Languages by Gary Chapman
https://5lovelanguages.com/store/the-5-love-languages/
2 Timothy 4:5
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%204%3A5
2 Timothy 2:3
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%202%3A3
Job 42
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2042
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"Corporate problems need human solutions." - Peace Ike
In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith sits down with Peace Ike, a culture strategist, relational dynamics coach, conflict mediation specialist, and founder of Set The Table Strategies, to explore the leadership skills most of us were never taught: navigating conflict, building trust, reading the room, and communicating with wisdom and grace.
Peace shares how bringing strangers with different political beliefs together around a dinner table shaped her work helping organizations build healthier cultures. She introduces her BETTER Method for developing emotional intelligence, explains the gap between our intentions and our impact, and shows why lasting change starts with self-awareness rather than another box to check.
Doug and Peace also explore the resilience she learned from her Nigerian immigrant parents, the power of our words, and how losing her brother shaped her faith and calling. Whether you're leading a team, preparing for a hard conversation, or feeling called to start something new, this conversation will challenge you to lead with greater humility, courage, and dignity.
LINKS & RESOURCES MENTIONED
Set The Table Strategies / Work with Peace Ike
Culturally Unoffendable by Peace Ike / Unoffendable Life
How to Know a Person by David Brooks
DISC Assessments: Background and Comparison
Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI)
Predictive Index
Romans 8:28
Frederick Buechner on Vocation
The Gathering Place Philly / Dinner & Discussion: Background on Peace's Work
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The L3 Leadership Podcast is sponsored by Andocia Marketing Solutions.
Andocia exists to bring leaders' visions to life. Learn more at www.andocia.com.
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“You fight fear with gratitude."
In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith sits down with his longtime friend and former leader, Jessi Marsh, CEO of the Will Allen Foundation.
Doug and Jessi unpack one of the hardest conversations of Doug’s career and the conflict that could have ended their working relationship. Instead, their willingness to have an honest conversation became a turning point in their relationship and taught them both powerful lessons about trust, communication, humility, conflict, and grace.
Together, Doug and Jessi discuss how to have courageous conversations, rebuild trust, learn from people who think differently, lead with both capability and empathy, and make the most of the life you’ve been given.
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – Introduction to Jessi Marsh
02:00 – The hardest conversation of Doug’s career
05:00 – Jessi’s response to Doug’s 360 review
06:00 – Intention vs. impact
11:00 – Learning how to have hard conversations
13:00 – Rebuilding trust
17:00 – The leadership lessons Jessi took from the experience
22:00 – Why avoiding conflict gets you nowhere
24:00 – Having conversations with people who think differently
26:00 – Challenging your own beliefs
30:00 – How Jessi approaches sharing her perspective publicly
37:00 – Jessi’s stage four colon cancer diagnosis
40:00 – Nine years cancer-free
41:00 – Navigating fear and uncertainty
44:00 – “You fight fear with gratitude”
46:00 – Finding gifts in difficult seasons
47:00 – How cancer changed Jessi’s perspective on life
53:00 – Why early detection matters
56:00 – Jessi’s promise to help others facing cancer
57:00 – Lightning Round
01:01:00 – Jessi’s biggest leadership pet peeve
01:04:00 – Being yourself when you can’t please everyone
01:06:00 – The legacy Jessi hopes to leave
🎙 Guest
Jessi Marsh – CEO of the Will Allen Foundation
Links:
Will Allen Foundation - https://www.willallenfdn.org/
Light of Life Rescue Mission - https://www.lightoflife.org/
Function Health - https://www.functionhealth.com/
One Thousand Gifts by Ann Voskamp - https://a.co/d/08HwR1nx
Brené Brown - https://brenebrown.com/
Tim Keller sermons - https://gospelinlife.com/sermons/
The Communication Wheel / Information Wheel - https://www.hpsys.com/CW_Home.htm
UPMC Hillman Cancer Center - https://hillman.upmc.com/difference
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The L3 Leadership Podcast is sponsored by Andocia Marketing Solutions. Andocia exists to bring leaders’ visions to life. Learn more at www.andocia.com
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"Success to me is happiness." –Brian Hess
The L3 Podcast is BACK!
In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith sits down with entrepreneur and business leader Brian Hess, founder of The Pavement Group, Top Contractor School, and 1 Team Media.
Whether you’re building a business, leading a team, raising a family, or simply trying to become a better leader, this conversation is packed with practical wisdom for the journey.
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – L3 Leadership is back: Doug welcomes Brian Hess
01:00 – The impact Brian’s grandmother had on his life
04:00 – Dreaming about entrepreneurship at six years old
06:00 – The price behind success that people don’t see
09:00 – Why God likes to “hit a moving target”
10:00 – Is entrepreneurship really for everyone?
11:00 – Brian’s definition of true success
12:00 – Why Brian waited until 38 to become an entrepreneur
14:00 – Building a company that creates opportunities for others
16:00 – The risk Brian and his wife took to pursue the vision
17:00 – Why Brian wouldn’t change the timing of his journey
19:00 – How to compress time and accelerate your experience
20:00 – The sacrifices required to build something great
23:00 – Helping your family understand what the sacrifice is for
25:00 – What Brian learned about hard work from his father
27:00 – Why leaders need to reject a victim mentality
29:00 – Carrying the weight and responsibility of leadership
31:00 – Building a team that can carry the load with you
32:00 – Why great leaders have to “pull the weeds”
34:00 – Going from being needed everywhere to building a self-sufficient team
35:00 – The leadership lessons Brian has learned over eight years
36:00 – Humility and knowing when to listen
38:00 – Auditing where you invest your time
39:00 – The investments that have produced the greatest growth
40:00 – Studying Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway shareholder letters
41:00 – Brian’s approach to building meaningful relationships
42:00 – Why cold DMs and transactional networking don’t work
44:00 – Playing the long game with influential leaders
47:00 – How Brian maintains a powerful network
49:00 – What Brian is learning about parenting five children
51:00 – Why being a parent is the most important title you’ll ever have
53:00 – How faith has shaped Brian’s leadership and entrepreneurship
55:00 – The Brian Hess Show and closing thoughts
Links:
Brian Hess
https://realbrianhess.com
Brian Hess on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/realbrianhess/
The Pavement Group
https://thepavementgroup.com
Top Contractor School
https://topcontractorschool.com
1TEAM Media
https://1teammedia.com
Nothingman / Shiloh Plate & Pour (Pittsburgh)
https://www.shilohplateandpour.com
The Brian Hess Show — Apple Podcasts
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-brian-hess-show/id1477287951
The Brian Hess Show — Spotify
https://open.spotify.com/show/4OnmaJ1QDjgb2bZcJjrPhK
The Brian Hess Show — Website
https://realbrianhess.com/podcast/
John Maxwell
https://www.johnmaxwell.com
Ed Mylett
https://www.edmylett.com
C12 Group
https://www.c12group.com
Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders
https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html
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In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith sits down with Pastor John Nuzzo, founder of Victory Family Church and author of The Acceleration Mandate.
Pastor John is also one of the most influential voices in my life — my pastor, mentor, and spiritual father.
And honestly… this may be one of the most important conversations we’ve ever had on the podcast.
We talked about:
• Why most leaders accidentally limit the next generation
• The difference between mentoring and true spiritual fathering
• How to avoid becoming cynical, isolated, or judgmental as a leader
• Why proximity matters more than information
• What great leaders do to accelerate others instead of controlling them
• How to finish your race with integrity, joy, and impact
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – Introduction and The Acceleration Mandate
01:00 – Lessons from Pastor John’s father and upbringing
05:00 – Leadership after 30+ years of ministry
06:00 – Accelerating the next generation
08:00 – Spiritual fathers and mothers
09:00 – The “2%” principle: finishing well
12:00 – The danger of victim mentality in leadership
14:00 – Why proximity matters in mentorship
16:00 – What Pastor John looks for in younger leaders
20:00 – Loving people through difficult seasons
24:00 – Why the Church struggles with restoration
27:00 – Pastor John’s conviction about judging leaders
30:00 – Divorce, heartbreak, and restoration
33:00 – The leader who helped relaunch Pastor John’s future
36:00 – Practical ways to accelerate younger leaders
39:00 – “Don’t ask me about the new wineskin”
43:00 – How anyone can impact the next generation
47:00 – David, Solomon, and succession leadership
49:00 – Why churches shouldn’t stay known for their founders
52:00 – The power of friendship in leadership
55:00 – Accountability and lifelong relationships
59:00 – Lessons learned from John C. Maxwell
01:03:00 – Why leadership is about deeply engaging people
01:05:00 – Final wisdom on acceleration and legacy
01:06:00 – The three truths Pastor John hopes to leave behind
🎙 Guest
John Nuzzo – Founder of Victory Family Church and author of The Acceleration Mandate
Show Notes Links & Resources
People Mentioned
Organizations & Ministries
Books & Resources Mentioned
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Only 2% of Christian leaders make it to their finish line with their families, faith, and calling intact — and Doug Smith believes your health is one of the biggest reasons why.
In this powerful talk, Doug shares his personal journey from "Fat Dougie" to fit at 40, the wake-up call he got from his dad's triple bypass surgery, and the practical steps every leader can take to extend their life, energy, and impact.
What You'll Learn in This Episode
Resources & Links Mentioned
Health Testing & Biomarkers
Workouts & Fitness
Nutrition & Tracking
Wearables & Recovery
Books & Influences
Book Doug for your next conference or event: DougSmithLive.com
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – Why health matters for leaders
02:00 – The “2%” vision: finishing well
04:00 – Creating a vision for your health
05:00 – Where your current habits are leading
07:00 – Defining health and fitness
08:00 – Longevity, legacy, and stewardship
11:00 – Doug’s weight-loss and fitness journey
14:00 – Discovering P90X
16:00 – The hard conversation that changed everything
17:00 – Why nutrition matters
19:00 – Tracking food and using ChatGPT for accountability
20:00 – Rethinking alcohol and drinks
21:00 – Finding workouts you’ll actually do
23:00 – Consistency and daily habits
24:00 – Why accountability partners help
26:00 – Health scares, anxiety, and unexpected weight gain
27:00 – Discovering mold exposure
28:00 – Looking under the hood with bloodwork
30:00 – Genetic risks and heart health
31:00 – Medicine 2.0 vs. Medicine 3.0
32:00 – Radon, toxins, and environmental health
34:00 – Tools and resources for long-term health
36:00 – Start now and create a new ending
37:00 – Final challenge: Don’t leave your health to chance
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In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith shares a powerful message titled Advice for the 60+ Crowd: How to Make the Most of the Final Season of Your Life.
After speaking to a group of seniors at a local church in Pittsburgh, Doug realized this message applies to every leader—no matter their age. This episode is a call to live with intention, finish well, and invest your life into what matters most.
Doug challenges listeners to think deeply about legacy, transitions, and the role they play in shaping future generations. Through personal stories and practical questions, he equips you to shift your priorities, strengthen your disciplines, and maximize your impact in the time you have left.
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – Introduction and why this message matters
02:00 – Honoring the generation that came before us
04:00 – Doug’s story and the impact of mentorship
07:00 – Your legacy is what you set into motion
09:00 – The question: What do you want said at your funeral?
10:30 – Why transitions can leave people stuck or bitter
11:30 – What priorities need to shift in this season
14:00 – Thinking in terms of multi-generational impact
17:00 – Upgrading your spiritual disciplines
19:00 – The power of prayer and investing in others
22:00 – Why the next generation needs spiritual fathers and mothers
24:00 – Guarding against the wrong temptations in this season
25:00 – Reconciling relationships while there’s still time
27:00 – Practicing gratitude for what God has already done
28:00 – God is bigger than your last season
29:00 – “It will be better than it’s ever been”
30:00 – Final challenge: Will you spend your life or invest it?
🎙 Guest
Doug Smith – Host, L3 Leadership Podcast
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Andocia Marketing Solutions – https://andocia.com
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In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith shares a powerful talk he gave for Keller Williams titled How to Build a Great Life.
Doug walks through the principles that have shaped his own journey—from a difficult upbringing to leading a nonprofit, raising a family, and developing leaders—and challenges listeners to stop simply “accepting” life and start intentionally building one that truly matters.
This episode goes beyond career success and focuses on what it really means to win in life: strong relationships, purpose, growth, and intentional leadership. Doug provides practical frameworks and actionable steps to help you clarify your vision, grow daily, build meaningful connections, and become the leader you’re capable of being.
If you’ve ever felt like you’re just going through the motions or unsure how to reach your full potential, this episode will challenge you to take ownership and start building a life you’re proud of.
Doug Smith – Host, L3 Leadership Podcast
What You’ll Learn
💡 Key Takeaways
📚 Resources & Mentions
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Most leaders think they’re growing—but in reality, they’re just repeating the same year over and over again.
In this powerful conversation, Doug sits down with Chris Robinson, Executive Vice President of Maxwell Leadership, to unpack why over 90% of leaders plateau—and what it actually takes to reach your potential.
Chris shares the mindset shift that changed his life from chasing success to developing others, how to become a “star maker” leader, and the hidden danger of complacency he calls “the secret place of satisfactory success.”
If you want to get promoted, multiply your impact, and avoid drifting through your career, this episode is a must-listen.
💡 What You’ll Learn:
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – Introduction to Chris Robinson and his leadership journey
02:00 – Getting into personal growth for the wrong reasons
03:30 – The Law of the Lid and becoming a “star maker”
06:00 – The mindset shift required to truly develop others
08:30 – What to do when you get passed over for a promotion
11:00 – “The phrase that pays” for career growth
12:30 – From Drift to Drive: Why Chris wrote the book
13:30 – The danger of “satisfactory success”
14:30 – Why most leaders plateau
15:30 – Experience vs. repetition in leadership growth
16:00 – Balancing leadership and raising six kids
19:00 – Structuring your life around what matters most
21:00 – Inside Maxwell Leadership and developing leaders
23:00 – How to get out of the pile: results, service, and growth
26:00 – Lessons learned from working with John Maxwell
28:00 – Chris’s story: DUI, second chances, and transformation
32:00 – Leadership and alcohol: influence and responsibility
35:00 – The power of environment: people, places, and habits
37:00 – Best advice: “You have to get on a lot of airplanes.”
38:00 – How to read for growth (problems vs. passions)
40:00 – Leadership philosophy: Treat people like people
41:00 – Biggest pet peeve: inconsistent leadership
43:00 – Parenting lessons and prioritizing family
46:00 – Advice to his younger self
47:00 – The legacy Chris hopes to leave
🔗 Resources & Links:
Chris Robinson
Maxwell Leadership: https://maxwellleadership.com
Book: From Drift to Drive by Chris Robinson
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What would people say about your life at your memorial service?
In this deeply personal episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith shares the powerful leadership lessons he learned after attending the memorial service of legendary pastor and leader Jeff Leake.
For over two hours, story after story was shared about a man who finished his race with his faith, family, character, and calling intact. The experience forced Doug to ask a question every leader must wrestle with:
Am I living in a way that will lead to a life well lived?
⏱️ Episode Breakdown
00:00 – Why this memorial service deeply moved Doug
02:00 – Doug’s relationship with Jeff and the impact of mentorship
04:00 – The 2% principle: Finishing with family, character, and calling intact
08:00 – “Nobody has a dad like my dad” — intentional parenting that lasts
12:00 – Why family must come before success
14:30 – The urgency of spiritual fathers and mothers
18:00 – Becoming a spiritual parent to the next generation
20:30 – “Calm always wins” — emotional steadiness in leadership
25:00 – Teaching leadership lessons at home
27:00 – First Samuel 20 friendships: Anything, anytime, anywhere
31:00 – Your legacy is not what you do, but what you set into motion
35:00 – Resume building vs. people building
38:00 – Why documenting your content is a gift to your family
42:00 – One day it will be your memorial service
45:00 – What are you doing with your life?
48:00 – Long obedience in the same direction
50:00 – Don’t quit. Finish well.
In this episode, Doug breaks down the leadership principles he took away from that unforgettable service and how they can help you lead with greater purpose, clarity, and legacy.
If you want to become a leader who finishes well, this conversation will challenge and inspire you.
In This Episode You'll Learn:
• Why only 2% of leaders finish their race with their faith, family, and character intact
• The parenting goal every leader should pursue: “Nobody has a dad like my dad.”
• Why great leaders learn to live by the principle “Calm always wins.”
• The importance of spiritual fathers, mentors, and leadership relationships
• The powerful legacy principle: Your legacy is not what you do, but what you set into motion
• Why documenting your life and leadership content is a gift to future generations
• How reflecting on your own mortality can help you lead a more intentional life
It's finishing well.
Resources Mentioned
• Jeff Leek Memorial Service
• Jeff Leek – Allison Park Church
• L3 Leadership Podcast
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👥 Leaders Referenced
Henry Cloud – https://drcloud.com
Eugene Peterson – https://www.navpress.com
Jeff Leake (Legacy referenced throughout episode)
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