Today as we anticipate the opening of James Gunn's new Superman film,  we’re flying into a deep discussion on 2013's Man of Steel, the divisive Zack Snyder film that reimagined Superman for a new era.

And joining me are two longtime friends of the show and Superman storytellers in their own right—Art Baltazar and Franco, the award-winning creative duo behind Tiny Titans, Superman Adventures, and Superman of Smallville. We compare their vision of the character—lighthearted, hopeful, and kid-friendly—with the darker, more intense take seen in Man of Steel. It’s a fun and thoughtful chat about what makes Superman Superman, and how different creators interpret the Last Son of Krypton.

Whether you love Snyder’s film or had issues with it, this conversation offers a fresh perspective from two guys who love the character and have helped pass him on to a whole new generation.

Up, up, and let’s get into it.