Jo and Rob check in with overall thoughts on the season so far (8:42), including Ellie and Dina branching out into the post-apocalyptic adult world (16:32), and the introduction of Jeffrey Wright’s character, Isaac (24:41). Then, director Kate Herron joins to discuss Episode 4 (34:47). **SPOILERS** in the air (1:03:37), with a discussion of Ellie’s differences: game vs. TV (1:14:15), and when will we get an expected story shift (1:18:56)?

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Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney

Guest: Kate Herron

Producers: Kai Grady and Donnie Beacham Jr.

Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles

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