Hi this is Nick Webb and welcome to the Nick Webb show. We're gonna talk today with Dr. Murray. Dr. Murray is a colleague of mine at Western University of Health Sciences. And I've always admired his expertise as an educator and as an education technologist and really is always kept up on you know, what are students looking for today? What is the future of education? And first, why don't we start out by maybe give me a little bit more of your background, Mary, and then we'll we'll go into what the changes are in education, what we need to do about it.
Sure. Thank you, Annika, thank you for the opportunity to discuss this absolutely critical topic and very, very apropos, given the times that we live in. So I have two master's degree and one doctoral degree. And I think I have the I've had the opportunity to really see the evolution of education, because my three degrees have been through several decades. And just to give an example, my very first master's degree, I used the state of the art, IBM Selectric typewriter to type my first master's degree, my second master's degree, which was done using a word processor, which was back in those days, the top notch tool that you use to write papers. And my doctoral degree, obviously was, you know, is using, you know, high tech technology and digital resources and digital library. So through my journey, I've really seen how much education has changed.
So yeah, I can, you know, certainly the way in which we can deliver technology, or that is information to students using technologies is really incredible. And it's really brought on this new concept of what we now call a synchronous training, or a synchronous education, where the old days, you had to show up to a lecture hall, listen to a professor rant for an hour, and then you would go to your next lecture hall. But today, we can deliver these programs asynchronously. In other words, when a student wants them, and they can take as much of the courses they want at any given setting. I mean, I think that's one really major breakthrough. Right?
Absolutely. And, like you said, earlier, Nick, is that the, the modality through which we've delivered the curriculum in the past, was 98%, through lectures. Now, through research, and through, you know, the looking at the outcomes of education, we found out actually that the lecture mode, in other words, the sage on the stage approach, right, really not that effective. So we effectively migrated out of that modality of teaching. And so now we are leveraging technology to really deliver much better reunion experience today.
Well, you know, as you know, I am really excited about one of my new businesses learn logic, and we've been working on this project for many, many years. And one of the things that we realized is that first of all students want value, they won't they, you know, they really want to be able to turn their investment of time and money into something that has a monetary return. They also want to eliminate friction. They want to increase speed, and certainly they want to increase relevancy. So I mean, even at since you and I both work at a medical school, I mean, we're even seeing that with our medical students now. Right?
Absolutely. And you know, there is one static one or one statistics that actually was very scary and sad to read. And that's the fact that 18% of the low wage workers these are like minimum minimum wage workers have a bachelor's degree. That is telling us that the value of education as it's tense today, needs to be changed because people with a college degree, still have not acquired the skills that would translate into job abilities of you. You know, professional abilities, which is why education really did today. And you mentioned this earlier needs to be transferred into a value based education.