The Liminalist: The Podcast Between

Return conversation with Emerald Gould, on her first encounter with Dave Oshana.

Part One: Watching the Room (0 – 26 mins)

Understanding enlightenment, intuitive impressions of Dave, what Jasun sees in Dave, being primed, concrete things in relation to abstractions, indoor energy work, an energetic high, energy work observations, food and energy, watching the room, a skeptical approach, questioning rather than believing, separating from the experience.

Part Two: A Meeting of Bodies (26 – 55 mins)

Experiencing discomfort, Dave’s reasons, when to assert one’s will, reasons not to be extraordinary, an invisible dimension, Dave’s eyes, a glimpse of unfocused awareness, Mark’s thing, avoiding abstractions, the enlightenment transmission, seeking enlightenment, efforting, the boy that becomes a bullfighter, two-way causation, Mark the seeker, abstract realms of being, giving feedback, what people get from a Dave event, a meeting of bodies.

Part Three: The Secret Life of the Soul (55 mins – 1 hr 20 mins)

A metaphorical handshake, the opening up of life, soul connections, the secret life of the soul, London humatons, when the mind gets involved, impressions of Dave, in a different space, authenticity,  the spiritual teacher, managerial advice for Dave, living with the life force, what does it mean to be living as one’s true self, discouraging questions, breaking Dave’s flow.

Part Four: Moved by the System (1 hr 20 mins – end)

The question of coming back for more, what was useful, Dave’s osmosis, why Dave rambles, the irrelevance vs. relevance of words, descriptions of enlightenment, sensing the world, one with the universe, a vicarious sense of enlightenment, the drawbacks of group interaction, a tuning fork, prodding Dave, moved by the system, the will of the collective, an audience of individuals, Mark’s experience, the youngest Dave participant, meeting Dave at 22, the cost of self-initiating, the wisdom of making mistakes.

Dave Oshana US Events in Sept-Oct on the East Coast

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; "Down in the Valley" by The Head & the Heart; "Of You" by Emerald Gould; “These Words” by Hazelwood Motel.

Return conversation with Mark Lawn, on meeting Dave Oshana, locating the true self, opening a dialogue with the other dimension,

Part One: The Unforeseen Force (0 – 34 mins)

Special attention from Dave, helping the trilogy, sixth journey of energetics, the dangers of detox, encountering resistance, kundalini yoga courses, energy work, connecting the mind and the cells, chilled out in Romania, a car crash in the mind, employed by enlightenment, the need for empathy, opening on retreat, Martin’s experience, life in the matrix, the effects of energy work, a quantum detox, the unforeseen force, kung fu work, making Being the One, Mysteries bookshop, Watkins, early Dave days.

Part Two: A Dedicated Seeker (34 mins to 1 hr 04 mins)

When Jasun met Dave, Mark’s new manual, fear of motivation, a romantic link to the world, spiritual discipline, oil painting, creating the space for spontaneous expression, the old doings of shamanic bootstrapping, the first forty years, in and out looking, a dedicated seeker, urgency and all the time in the world, driven by self-rejection, fame & enlightenment, ex-pat Hollywood, Alaskan gold-miners, working on the elements, trusting to default, pushing a barge or building a kite, autumn when young, a loss of dignity, letting oneself down, a favorite of the angels, comparing dads, a nostalgic vision.

Part Three: Strange Carpets, Pillow Fights, Metal Doors (1 hr 04 mins – 1 hr 40 mins)

Small things like the trifle, conditioned with ambitions, a purist vision, strange carpets, everything at once, even better than God, a lost civilization, rocks in the river, taking knocks, the price of purity, an inspirational model, a posture that doesn’t falter, no slouch Dave, 100% alertness, a sword in front, Dave’s way of talking, words and reality, sleeping and speaking, clean language, image and metaphor, the Genghis Khan of pillow-fights, fun in Finland, lost opportunities, a metal door, the other-dimensional life, a glowing presence to the left, stay in the longing, the loss of games, writing books, overriding mental compulsions, rhythms of play, behind the metal door.

Part Four: The Ancestral Line (1 hr 40 mins – 2 hrs 03 mins)

Speaking to the other self, a swarm of mingling midges, a lightness in the air, group enlightenment, the effects of drinking wine, the quest for purity, optimal body state, atomic memory, straightening the ancestral line, alcohol legacy, freedom from the past, an invisible orb, Man Bites Dog, the enlightened psycho, the Lucifer complex, the body impulse, relating through sickness, chronic fatigue, ego inflation happiness.

Part Five: Enlightenment & Endarkenment (2 hrs 03 mins – end)

The sensitivity of talking, what enlightenment means, partying hard, 13 things, amplifying enlightenment, a tiny light, the opposite of enlightenment, an electric amnesia barrier, slave in a cage, currents & undercurrents, the trials and errors of a human being, Hannibal, Leonard Cohen's darkness, asking the other self, the undertow, drowning in the ocean, better surrender, Liberator vs. Enterprise, the world gives, different dimensions, death star destruction, enlightenment & endarkenment.

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; “Clap Hands” & "Away from Here" by Lee Maddeford; “Expanding Neutral Connection” by Vegaenduro; “Vapors,” by Origami Conspiracy; “These Words” by Hazelwood Motel.

Talking with Bill Ramsey on William Ramsey Investigates, on Seen & Not Seen, movie violence, identity creation, dysfunctional family life, Jonathan Lethem, Talking Heads, Where Eagles Dare, Clint Eastwood, violence against women, Straw Dogs, male violence & mother-enmeshed men, Taxi Driver & Travis Bickle, Pauline Kael & the Paulettes, Roman Polanski and sexual deviation, Charles Manson & mind control, Chaos, Jeffrey Epstein, Blue Velvet, David Lynch, Kubrick & A Clockwork Orange, Anthony Burgess, a Hollywood pilgrimage, selling one's soul to success, the Hollywood rainbow, suspending disbelief, the #MeToo movement, intelligence community, movie mobsters, and how to extricate oneself from culture-generated false identification, moving towards wholeness.

Songs: "Seen & Not Seen" by Talking Heads; "Clint Eastwood" by Gorrillaz (special remix with Whitley Strieber); "Jaycub" by Sparklehorse.

Return conversation with Martin Jolly, on knowing Dave Oshana, the long, hard road to authenticity of a soul lost in a world of false identities, the true nature of the body (& the mind), and the unnecessary aspect of suffering. 

Part One: An Unquenchable Vibration (0 – 36 mins)

Extending an invitation, what Dave does, knowing Dave, a feeling of rightness, a sense of lacking, triggering a remembrance, trying narcissism, giving up the quest, a dream of greater reality, trying to sing, letting the song happen, the craft of not-intending, grasping after the good, the sweet spot of the voice, loving our true nature, social enlightenment, big movements, pushing past inhibitions, getting it wrong, broadening the connection, communicating intent, facilitating expansion, freeing the parts that are locked down, true selves and personas, a natural resonance, a tuning fork, asking the wrong questions.

Part Two: Our Imaginary Self (36 mins – 1 hr 8 mins)

A unified body, an emerging series of sensations, passing through physicality, grasping at God, the wrong kind of immortality, the body as cultural container, pseudo-spirituality, imaginal aspects of the body, the false awareness of thinking, an internal camera, what imagination is, a non-physical body, the life of dreams, an artificial partition, the misuse of imagination, an interiorized image of the body, a matrix of mind, an internalized narrative, grasping at sensation, how thoughts hook us, the promise of meaning, a premature enlightenment, micro-perceptions, early identity development, a sense of boundaries, the tantrum years, pressure of the world, Dave’s many facets, lying to tell the truth

Part Three: Approaching Wholeness (1 hr 8 mins – 1 hr 33 mins)

Stimulating the false identity, Clark Kent/Superman syndrome, talking to the true self, giving the answer, the seduction of satsang, a changing view of enlightenment, heaven-driven egos, volunteering for dissolution, a developmental curve, approaching wholeness, spiritual seekers, the idea of being right, reducing to things, the second-order error of mind, ideas of soul, temporal & non-temporal, perception of death, the unnecessity of suffering, death as an issue, the mind & damnation, not what we expected.

Part Four: A Hidden Continent (1 hr 33 mins – end)

Energy work, losing worries, experiences in the body, dream sensations, bringing parts together, the dream body, another dimension, Carlos Castaneda & the conceptual imagery of sorcery, meeting of true selves, what the sock puppets are saying, the splinter in the brain, restless in the mind, the seed of interest, meeting Dave, a glimpse of life outside the mind, the ability of enjoyment, children’s innocence, the irony of the mind, gurus who make us feel worthless, relinquishing isolation, what’s different about Dave, a collective opportunity, a protruding land mass, the brightest star, everything has transmission, sharing love.

Dave Oshana in London: July 25th, 7 pm, Haldane Room, & July 28th, 12 pm, contact Dave to book.

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; "Purple" by Crustation; "A Prayer" by Madeleine Peyroux;  “Factories,” by Paper Navy; “These Words” by Hazelwood Motel.

Back with Gib Strange for a post-retreat conversation, on belief & disbelief, heaven & hell, the Devil & God, Jesus & Job, & connecting to a guiding principal of goodness.

Part One: Mapping Hell (0 – 36 mins)

Returning to dark research, mapping the history of trauma, seeking the hidden angelic, the feel-good industry, paper-thin reasons to be cheerful, angsty teens and cheerleading jocks, creativity & articulating new insights, distrusting positivity, the magical method of “what-if,” trying on belief & disbelief, using a nail to knock out a nail, the spectrum of belief, truly liminal, dealing with the dogmatists, negative identity complex, a guiding principal of good, faith in the midst of delusion & malevolence, the shadow as proof of light, God & pain, testing Job, imagination experiments, science & theology, the problem with atheism, Rene Girard’s conversion, Jordan Peterson & Sam Harris, Thomas Ligotti, the contradiction of nihilist philosophy, man’s evolving awareness of God, how God becomes conscious, tests of faith, spiritual autolysis, Christ’s temptation, doubting everything but God, heaven stormers driven by doubt, bootstrapping into galactic consciousness, forcing God to show his face, how children drive parents to prove their love, punishment as love, why Christians believe in Hell, Hell as proof of God’s love, mapping Hell on Earth, finding evidence for Heaven.

Part Two: A Probe from Elsewhere (36 mins – 1 hour 13 mins)

The Kingdom of Heaven where no one talks of God, aligning with the Sun, a personal turning point, the awareness of an absence, the God who wasn’t there, the most natural pain-killer, an incapacity to love, the numbness of damned souls, reigning in an S & M dungeon, kings of pain, love & powerlessness, the Christians’ reliance on the Bible, God-Satan-humanity power spectrum, the guide to avoiding Hell, an unnatural onus on scripture, observance & guidance, the body & sin, extending awareness into hidden dimensions of being, remembering to believe, a permanent record, Big Mother & the gods of capitalism, getting lost in mazes to map them, sending & receiving intel from central command, a probe from elsewhere, the alien-sorcerers underground network, distorting reality via 2nd-hand testimonials, spokespeople for the mysteries, Philip K. Dick & the success of failure, the virtue of keeping on going, seekers who claim to have found, completing a mission, the maze of the mind, the ever-changing nature of the maze, The Shining, God’s eye view, the error of using a knowledge base to seek freedom, the devil’s trick.

Part Three:  Trust the Process & Wait (1 hour 13 mins – end)

A temptation, a newfound sense of freedom, outside the mind, the journey of zero distance, something to look forward to, the opposite of a carrot, becoming unmotivated, a lifetime’s habit, chopping wood & carrying water, fruit-picking in the summer, a real carrot.

Outtakes: (40 mins, 25 MB)

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Gib Strange's site

Songs: “Knob Wobbler,” by Gib Strange; "Standing" by Norman Fagg; "Applegate" by Little Teeth; “These Words” by Hazelwood Motel.