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In this Episode, Host Chris Maffeo talks to Luke Hemsley, founder of Wednesday's Domaine, who discusses how his alcohol-free wine brand addresses the twin challenges of awareness and appreciation in an emerging category.

Unlike beer and spirits, which have made significant inroads in the alcohol-free space, wine has lagged due to historical quality issues and consumer skepticism.

Rather than positioning against alcohol, Wednesday's Domaine focuses on creating a midweek wine alternative for food and drink lovers who might occasionally want the ritual of wine without its effects. Luke shares insights on their strategic focus on the off-trade (particularly independent retailers), creating a geographic concentration in specific neighborhoods, and making their product stand out on shelves without sacrificing sophistication.

The conversation explores how on-trade and off-trade create a circular relationship that builds category credibility, the pricing psychology of alcohol-free alternatives, and the founder's journey of knowing when to delegate versus when personal passion is irreplaceable.

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In this return appearance on the Maffeo Drinks podcast, Paul Thomas, whom host Chris Maffeo dubs "the king of insights," shares wisdom on how to escape the marketing "ivory tower" and understand real consumer behavior.

Paul advocates for marketers to personally observe products in various venues rather than relying solely on data. 

The conversation examines how brands should adopt occasion-based marketing over demographic targeting, striking a balance between aspirational positioning and pragmatic distribution strategies. 

Paul critiques the research industry's shift toward "faster and cheaper" methodologies at the expense of quality, encouraging brands to conduct fewer but better studies.

The episode concludes with advice on creating an "insight ecosystem" that balances qualitative observations with quantitative data, emphasizing the value of curiosity in understanding how consumers interact with drink brands in different contexts.

Timestamps:

0:00 Introduction to Maffeo Drinks Podcast

00:19 Welcoming Back a Special Guest

01:00 Diving into Key Topics

02:00 Understanding Consumer Insights

05:46 The Reality of Market Segmentation

07:57 Strategies for Brand Placement

14:09 The Importance of Research

31:56 Balancing Qualitative and Quantitative Data

36:18 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

Chris Maffeo hosted this episode, brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS.

MAFFEO DRINKS is a leading drinks business podcast, listened to in 120 countries with 130+ episodes. How the industry actually works, from the bar to the boardroom.

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You get access to Maffeo Confidential (Private Podcast), this analysis, and the full catalog of 130+ episodes, each one translating industry conversation into the commercial decisions underneath it. Find out more at maffeodrinks.com or on Substack.

In this return appearance on the Maffeo Drinks podcast, Paul Thomas, whom host Chris Maffeo dubs "the king of insights," shares wisdom on how to escape the marketing "ivory tower" and understand real consumer behavior.

Paul advocates for marketers to personally observe products in various venues rather than relying solely on data. The conversation examines how brands should adopt occasion-based marketing over demographic targeting, striking a balance between aspirational positioning and pragmatic distribution strategies. Paul critiques the research industry's shift toward "faster and cheaper" methodologies at the expense of quality, encouraging brands to conduct fewer but better studies.

The episode concludes with advice on creating an "insight ecosystem" that balances qualitative observations with quantitative data, emphasizing the value of curiosity in understanding how consumers interact with drink brands in different contexts.

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In this episode, Chris Maffeo speaks to Racheal Vaughan Jones and discusses how Compass Box has positioned itself as "whisky makers" in the Scotch whisky industry. Founded in 2000 with a mission to make the Scotch world more interesting, Compass Box balances mastery and imagination in its brand essence.

Recently, the company streamlined its core range into a more intuitive collection of four distinct flavor territories while maintaining its artistic limited editions.

Racheal shares insights into its recent brand positioning, "Long Live Interesting," and how it has successfully translated it through packaging, communication, and targeted campaign activations across key cities.

The brand's recent award-winning "Hedonism" limited edition showcases its collaboration with female artists and embodies its philosophy of starting with an organically evolving idea.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:30 Special Guest Introduction

01:53 The Story of Compass Box

04:23 Brand Positioning and Marketing

10:29 Core Range and Consumer Experience

14:29 Limited Editions and Awards

20:05 Limited edition approach with Hedonism

26:06 Communication and Marketing Strategies

30:30 Localized activation and content strategy

33:45 Creating demand and brand-building philosophy

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Join us on this episode of the Maffeo Drinks podcast, where Chris Maffeo chats with drinks industry legend David Gluckman about the fascinating world of drink innovation and product development.

David shares insights from his recent book (That Sh*t Will Never Sell), offering a look back at the history and evolution of the drinks industry.

The conversation covers iconic brands he created like Bailey's, Ciroc, and Tanqueray Ten, product ownership's importance, and consumer research's often flawed nature.

David also discusses how great brands can be built without conventional testing and the critical role of liquid excellence. Tune in for an engaging discussion that blends business acumen with the art of drink creation.

The discussion provides insights into the importance of ownership, consumer behavior, and the significance of product distinction in brand building. David also emphasizes the value of real-world testing over consumer research, reflecting on his approach to developing iconic spirits.

Aspiring brand builders and drink enthusiasts will find valuable lessons in this engaging conversation.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:29 Guest Introduction: David's Journey

01:19 The Bailey's Story: Market Research and Success

04:43 Brand Development Philosophy

09:36 Challenges in Spirits Marketing

12:38 Product Innovation and Differentiation

25:44 Ownership and Long-Term Brand Building

32:07 Conclusion and Farewell

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Join this episode with Shawn Soole from the Post Shift Podcast In this episode, Chris shares invaluable insights on how small brands, such as bars, restaurants, distilleries, and breweries, can effectively build their brand.

From understanding the importance of local success before expanding to managing relationships with importers and distributors, Chris breaks down the fundamentals of brand building.

They also discuss the challenges and strategies for maintaining authenticity while scaling, the role of passion versus business in the drinks industry, and navigating the complexities of the B2B2B2C market.

Whether you’re a newcomer or an established player in the beverage world, this episode is filled with actionable advice to help you succeed.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:31 Guest Introduction: Chris Maffeo

02:04 Chris Maffeo's Background and Career Journey

04:58 Brand-Building Fundamentals

10:58 Challenges and Strategies in the Craft Spirits Industry

16:49 Scaling and Distribution Insights

19:11 Balancing Passion and Business

25:06 Entrepreneurial Advice and Future Plans

32:02 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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MAFFEO DRINKS is a leading drinks business podcast, listened to in 120 countries with 130+ episodes. How the industry actually works, from the bar to the boardroom.

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In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, host Chris Maffeo chats with Roberta Mariani, the Advocacy Director for Savoia and Ital Spirits.

Roberta shares her extensive experience in the hospitality and drinks industry, offering insights on building effective advocacy programs, the rise of the aperitivo culture, and focusing on category education over brand promotion.

They also discuss the evolving role of Italian bartenders, the increasing popularity of vermouth and Amari, and the critical issue of well-being within the industry.

Whether you're in the drinks business or simply a cocktail enthusiast, tune in for a deep dive into the latest industry trends and tips for achieving a sustainable work-life balance.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:32 Guest Introduction: Roberta Mariani

02:41 Building Brand Advocacy

07:34 The Rise of Aperitivo Culture

12:47 The Role of Italian Bartenders

23:56 Innovative Cocktail Creation

31:18 Promoting Well-being in the Industry

38:49 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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In this episode of the Maffeo Drinks Podcast, host Chris Maffeo is joined by Sophie Cookson, a seasoned expert in the liquor industry with over a decade of experience in Dubai and the UAE.

Sophie shares insights on the evolving liquor landscape in the Middle East, discusses the challenges and opportunities for small and medium-sized brands in the region, and the importance of having a regional strategy.

The conversation also touches on the role of Dubai duty-free as a significant channel for marketing and brand building. Sophie emphasizes the need for brands to have local presence and support to thrive in the Middle East market.

Tune in to learn about the unique dynamics of the Gulf region’s liquor market and how brands can successfully navigate this complex but rewarding environment.

Key Highlights:

• Navigating the evolving liquor landscape in the Middle East
• Strategic insights for small and medium-sized brands entering the market
• The unique role of Dubai duty-free in brand building
• Essential strategies for establishing local presence and support

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction and Welcome

00:30 - Guest Introduction: Sophie Cookson

01:07 - The Liquor Industry in Dubai

02:41 - Challenges and Opportunities for Small Brands

04:24 - Legalities and Regulations in the UAE

07:39 - Brand Building Strategies

10:56 - The Role of Expats and Duty-Free

15:10 - Supporting Bartenders and Craft Brands

26:25 - Travel Retail Opportunities

35:36 - Conclusion and Contact Information

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In this episode, I talk to Francois Monti, a renowned Cocktail Writer. We discuss the global cocktail scene’s uneven growth, from advanced cities boasting cutting-edge bars to emerging markets grappling with minimal training. 

While high-profile venues attract headlines, Francois argues that second-division bars drive consumer adoption of cocktails. He highlights the shortage of skilled bartenders, many lacking foundational taste education (e.g., wine and food flavor insights), leading to haphazard quality. 

Instead of focusing on big consumer-awareness pushes, Francois advocates strong trade relationships, mentorship, and recognition of diverse bartender career paths—even if that means contentedly staying in a single role long-term. 

Local bar culture flourishes by ensuring bartenders can refine their palate and technique at multiple levels of the industry, eventually benefiting both consumers and spirits brands.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:45 State of the Cocktail Industry

03:36 Challenges in Cocktail Culture

08:23 Training and Skill Development

20:03 Mentorship and Industry Growth

25:06 Conclusion and Farewell

Chris Maffeo hosted this episode, brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS.

MAFFEO DRINKS is a leading drinks business podcast, listened to in 120 countries with 130+ episodes. How the industry actually works, from the bar to the boardroom.

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In this episode, I spoke to Nick Guerrieri, founder of Chelly, who shares how he crafted a modernized limoncello out of Arizona—a place few associate with classic Italian citrus liqueurs.

By reducing sugar and viscosity, Chelly repositions limoncello from a narrow digestif to a spirit capable of starring in cocktails or being served neatly.

Nick’s strategy relies on grassroots sampling at liquor stores and festivals, weaving a genuine “behind-the-scenes” brand narrative on social media, and balancing on-trade listings with hands-on retail demos.

Distinctive branding elements, like his signature lemon shirt and recipe lookbooks, help Chelly stand out.

Over five years, Chelly has built momentum by focusing on direct consumer feedback, turning local pride in Arizona’s citrus heritage into a marketing edge, and carefully expanding bar menu placements and off-trade distribution.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:29 Meet Nick Guerrieri: The Limoncello Innovator

01:21 Crafting a Modernized Limoncello

02:05 Consumer Reactions and Market Penetration

03:06 Marketing Strategies and Visual Branding

06:42 On-Trade vs. Off-trade Sales Tactics

14:22 Sampling and Direct Consumer Feedback

22:45 The Importance of Small Wins and Persistence

26:30 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Chris Maffeo hosted this episode, brought to you by MAFFEO DRINKS.

MAFFEO DRINKS is a leading drinks business podcast, listened to in 120 countries with 130+ episodes. How the industry actually works, from the bar to the boardroom.

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