Stephie and I spill about brat summer, The Moment, the ethics of the music industry, and the meaning of artistry under capitalism. We detour quite a bit into Katseye and personal anecdotes… hope you enjoy this less formal format! Thank you so much Stephie for coming on.

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Chapter timestamps

00:00:00 hello!

00:02:15 brat summer

00:06:12 movie theater storytime

00:09:13 plot synopsis

00:22:30 charli's inner conflict

00:25:48 celeste

00:34:04 the label and management

00:39:09 kylie jenner

00:44:20 the ending

00:46:21 who was this for?

00:48:29 directing / cinematography

00:51:57 comedy

00:56:46 shoutout to artists!

00:59:41 other pop stars (katseye, zara larsson, bad bunny)

01:05:46 wristbands

01:07:03 bye!

Media credits

Music: Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio

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