In this episode of EMERGENT, I sit down with Dr. Michael Cifone to examine what it will take to build a real science of non-human intelligence. We look at why traditional ufology has stalled, how eyewitness testimony should inform next-generation detection systems, and what it means to study the mind behind UAP—not just the objects.

In this episode, we explore:

• Why UAP evidence demands new scientific standards

• The forensic epistemic loop that stalled 80 years of inquiry

• How phenomenology and experience guide better instrumentation

• The challenge of studying intelligence without anthropomorphism

• The “relational event space” of human–non-human interaction

• Why slow, methodical, institutional groundwork is essential

If we want to understand NHI, we must build the science capable of perceiving it.

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