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What is it about Jennifer Kent’s film The Babadook that draws so many people in?

Before writer/director Jennifer Kent made her debut feature film The Babadook, she made a short film called Monster which bears a lot of similarities with her feature. What it doesn’t have is the metaphorical element that the feature carries, but it’s got a mom, her son, and a monster living in the closet. In some ways, the streamlined short story works better because it’s just a straightforward story. The feature film is hard to separate from its existence as a metaphor as grief. Still, countless people have found a connection with it.

Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our Horror Debuts series with Kent’s first film, 2014’s The Babadook.

Here’s a hint at what we talk about in our conversation about The Babadook.

Does the fact that the Babadook is so obviously a metaphor for the mother character’s grief after losing her husband in a car wreck make the film less interesting? Or perhaps that’s its strength and why so many people connect with it. Either way, the film seems to have garnered many fans who love it and just as many who find it too obvious as to what Kent is saying. (Oddly, when Andy first saw the film, he completely ignored any readings of the film and watched it only for what it was, and seeing it that way didn’t work that well for him.) What it does do, however, is allow for interesting conversations about grief after watching it, so perhaps it’s a win no matter how you see it.

But assuming you get past the grief metaphor, what about the way the mother and child are written? It’s a difficult duo to connect with because we’re asked to join Amelia seven years after she’s lost her husband and she’s a mess. She also isn’t a great parent – Samuel, who’s about to turn seven – is aggressive, violent, and uncontrollable. He often seems like he’s more in charge than she is. But is that a bad thing if they’re written this way and we can’t connect? Or does it force us to find a way to sympathize with them? (No matter how you slice it, though, six-year-old Noah Wiseman delivers as strong a child performance in a horror film as Danny Pintauro did in Cujo.)

These two elements seem to largely be the things that keep audiences from really connecting with The Babadook. If you can get into the metaphor and if you can connect with the characters, you’ll likely love this ride. If you can’t truck with one or both of these, however, you may struggle a bit more with the film.

And that’s where we sit.

That’s not to say we didn’t like The Babadook.

Kent clearly has a handle on her directing style. The Babadook looks great. She uses creative transitions. We feel completely in this world and it works well. The character design of Mister Babadook, done with practical effects and patterned in part after Lon Chaney in London After Midnight, is terrifying. And honestly, there may be elements that we each struggle with but we still find it an effective ride.

So to that end, should we count this as a win? We think so. It’s a strong first film and clearly shows her vision as a storyteller. Plus, it allows for an exciting conversation. We have a great time digging into this one, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night is a unique take on the vampire mythos.

Ana Lily Amirpour had written a dozen screenplays but wasn’t getting any traction with getting them made. That’s when she had the idea for her Iranian vampire story. The script came easily and was something she could make in the small town of Taft CA on an ultra-low budget. Watching the film, though, Amirpour clearly had a vision and was able to bring it to screen. The film is hypnotic, dark, full of mood, and surprisingly romantic. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our Horror Debuts series with Amirpour’s 2014 film A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night.

They don’t say much in Amirpour’s film, but we have a lot to say about it.

It’s an interesting film in its simplicity and pacing. Combing through reviews, it seems a good number of people find issue in the slow pace and long takes. Even Pete initially reacted this way. But this film has a way of sticking with you. Both of us found the film to be one that lingers, and in the end, we both ended up big fans of Amirpour’s vampire story. Is it the fact that it’s horror-lite? Or perhaps that we connected with the romance, which Amirpour herself talks about as being like in a John Hughes film? Regardless, it’s a bit hypnotic spending time in this film and one we’d return to readily.

The black-and-white cinematography by Lyle Vincent paired with Amirpour’s story as well as the soundtrack fully immerse us in this town of Bad City. It helps that Sheila Vand plays such a compelling vampire, stalking the streets in her chador and on her skateboard. And we’re intrigued by the larger messages Amirpour puts forth in the film, even if she’s not overtly trying to make comments on these things.

Things like the oppression of women in Iran and other Middle Eastern countries. Addiction. Social isolation. Depression. Social status. Even the way we drain the land of its oil like vampires on the Earth is emphasized over and over again with the shots of the oil pumpjacks moving up and down. But it’s not a message movie. Amirpour includes those elements as themes to look at and think about, but we think she’s really focused on the love story and these two lost souls trying to find a connection in a dark town.

A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night is really a love story.

That connection between Arash, played by Arash Marandi, and Vand’s vampire (called simply The Girl) is the beating heart in this dark, cold movie. The scenes the two of them have together – at the street light, in her place, and at the power plant – create strong moments that are some of the more unforgettable moments in cinema.

We found a strong connection to this film. It’s one we’ll likely jump back into sooner rather than later to reconnect with Arash and The Girl. We have a great conversation about Amirpour’s film A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night. Check it out and tune in to this week’s show. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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Two Directors With a Shared Voice for Horror

Directing duos are rare, but it may be a completely unique situation to have a directing duo be an aunt/nephew pair. That’s the case with Veronika Franz and Severin Fiala, the writers/directors of Goodnight Mommy. When they realized they shared a love for horror films, this duo decided to pursue it and to date have three horror features under their belt. They certainly found a strength in their tone and style, which was clear right out of the gate with their narrative debut.

Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our Horror Debuts series with Franz’s and Fiala’s 2014 film Goodnight Mommy.

From the tone to the story, we have a lot to say about Goodnight Mommy.

Goodnight Mommy is an exercise in cinematography that evokes mood. From the framing to the lighting, Franz and Fiala, along with cinematographer Martin Gschlacht, use the camera to set a tone of horror and discomfort right from the start. Even when the two twin boys, Elias and Lukas, adventure through the woods, they capture it with an aura of tension. Nothing feels safe. We love brilliant cinematography and that holds true here. (This was something that worked well for Steve and Ray in their conversation about Franz's and Fiala's The Lodge, which they talked about here on Trailer Rewind.)

But how does the story hold up? It’s one of those films with a big surprise. We both picked up on it right away. Does that ruin the film? Or perhaps leave it feeling plodding? We come at that from two perspectives and in the end think it works either way. The question still remains if the film just becomes boring afterward.

The performances are top notch both from the twins, played by Lukas and Elias Schwarz, and from Susanne Wuest playing their mother. It says a lot about the directors what they were able to get from these kids. It also says a lot about Wuest who has to act for half the film with her head wrapped up in bandages. Even when the story feels a bit incredulous, their performances work brilliantly.

Do we buy the story?

But speaking to the story feeling incredulous, particularly as it builds toward its conclusion, how much do we care that it’s not as believable? Or does it ruin the film when we never see the mother call the father to discuss the children? Or doesn’t put them in grief counseling? Are we able to look past those issues and just assume Mommy is making some dumb decisions that pushes things a certain way? (Even though we spoil the film thoroughly in our conversation, we’re trying not to spoil it here.) Where is the line in the decisions that get made that’s too far?

And speaking of ‘too far,’ what is up with those Red Cross workers? Is there something we don’t know about Austrian customs as far as unlocked doors? Because these two Red Cross workers looking for donations who swing by to ask for money then just won’t leave after the child says Mom’s not home definitely cross the line for us. It’s a great tense scene, but it’s nonsense because it’s only here to serve the plot – not the reality of the story. But can we keep it anyway?

The concept of coping mechanisms to deal with grief play strongly in this film. We like how they tie to the concept of lullabies as a way to sooth children. This film largely works, even with some of its less believable elements, because this theme holds strong and creates a frightening portrait of unmanaged grief at the worst of possible moments that leads to devastating consequences. The film is certainly one to watch.

It has its problems, but is immensely watchable.

There are enough issues we find with the story that we’d be hard-pressed to give this film five stars. Still, it’s a fun watch – and beautiful to look at for a horror film. We have a great time talking about it on the show this week. This is definitely an episode to listen to after you’ve seen the movie, so check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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"We’re never going to leave this place, are we?”

While Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck were writing the script for American Graffiti for their USC chum George Lucas, they were working on a low budget horror film that they would produce, write, and direct together. This film was Messiah of Evil and, unfortunately for them, was taken away by the producers before they could finish filming. The producers hastily cut the project together and released a version in 1973, hoping it would make its money back. Because of that, Katz and Huyck largely dismissed the film for decades. It wasn’t until its 35th anniversary when it was restored that they seemed to recognize the film was peculiar but had its fans and its strengths.

Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we kick off our ‘Horror Debut’ series with Katz’s and Huyck’s 1973 horror film Messiah of Evil.

What works in Messiah of Evil and what doesn’t?

Katz’s and Huyck’s film is a bit of a mess when you look at the story, but is that what you’re meant to take away from it? Perhaps if Katz and Huyck had been able to finish it their way. Then again, who knows? They did make Howard the Duck. So we have to look at the film as what we have here. And honestly, the story may not be that strong, but a horror tone poem certainly is. It’s a tremendous creation in mood and tone.

That can be a bit of a struggle, though. It’s certainly more of a struggle for Pete who felt like he’d been set up for more slasher killings as we get in the start of the film before it shifts into less overt, bloody killings. But the mood is there and it gets under Andy’s skin. He feels it’s enough and thinks the film is excelling at creating a vibe that’s hard to shake.

The colors, scene construction, lighting, editing, music, production design and effects all lend tremendously to this mood. Again, is that enough? Regardless, how great is it seeing so many film artists in these roles that would go on to contribute so strongly to the industry.

We try tackling the story to see if we can sort out what we’re meant to get from it. Because the story is more vague and ill-defined, it’s tricky. There’s a lot of guesswork in here on our parts. We think we have it sorted out, but again, this speaks to the problems with the story as it was constructed for this finished film.

The artfulness with the visuals really speaks to us though. From the first out of focus shot of Arletty in the hallway as she walks toward camera and eventually into focus, we’re hooked. From creepy zombie people’s silhouettes on the skylight to the crazy paintings on Arletty’s dad’s studio, to the killing in the movie theatre, the images are designed to terrify.

And speaking of that movie theatre scene, that’s likely the strongest horror scene in the film. It builds the tension well and becomes truly terrifying. The grocery store is great too, but doesn’t work quite as well as this. And it leaves the question – if these townspeople are mindless zombies eating whatever meat they can find, why does the albino leave her alone when he picks her up hitchhiking? Is it because he’s full from eating rats? Or has the sickness not quite completely infected him? These are those story points that can be frustrating.

Regardless, it’s a great film selection to kick off our Horror Debuts series. It gives us a chance to talk about Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck, which is particularly touching having lost her in 2018 to ovarian cancer. We have a great conversation about this film so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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