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How Does Heckerling’s Biggest Hit Hold Up 30+ Years Later?

It’s funny looking back on writer/director Amy Heckerling’s 1989 romantic comedy Look Who’s Talking now and thinking that studios thought it was too sexual for the genre or that women couldn’t carry a comedy like this. Heckerling has said that she had to pitch the film as a talking baby voiced by a hot male comic because of that fact. Remembering that it was the 80s perhaps is all the reminder we need as to why she struggled to find a studio for the film. But the president of Tri-Star saw Heckerling’s ‘quirky, offbeat sense’ and greenlit the film. Lucky for all of them, it was a huge hit that led to a very successful franchise. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we wrap up our ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling’ series with Heckerling’s 1989 romantic comedy Look Who’s Talking.

Mikey’s not the only one talking. We’ve clearly got a few things to say about Look Who’s Talking.

What about the movie makes it feel dated? There are definitely some derogatory comments that people just wouldn’t say today, but there’s more to it than that. Is it how Kirstie Alley’s Molly tells everyone that she was artificially inseminated instead of coming clean about accidentally getting pregnant? Should she have had more agency and just admitted that she accidentally got pregnant? Does that feel dated, or is that relevant still today? Maybe it’s that people were so surprised by a working, single woman deciding to raise a child on her own. Between this and Baby Boom it was definitely a topic at the time. We bat around a few ideas but never quite agree on why some of the elements feel dated.

One thing that certainly doesn’t feel dated is the relationship between Molly and John Travolta’s James. They’re a delightful pair and we love the chemistry they clearly have on screen. The movie also doesn’t feel like it has to rush with their relationship. In the realm of romantic comedies, this works well.

Pete really struggles with the talking baby conceit though. Why is it in here? It’s a fun element that, when paired with Molly’s fantastical dreams and visions throughout the film, lend the movie a sense of fantasy that we don’t often see in romantic comedies. We like that they’re doing something different with the genre here. But Bruce Willis as the baby? Pete never can quite come to terms with it, whereas Andy doesn’t find any problems with it. We think largely it’s one of those things you either can buy into or can’t when you sit down to watch the film.

But what about Heckerling’s script? Do we like Molly’s and James’ meet-cute in the taxi cab? It has its issues, largely centered around the silly race through the city to get Molly to the hospital in time. What about the way Heckerling comes up with to keep James in Molly’s life after that initial meeting? This is a potential problem for some because of the way he lies to use her mailbox for grandpa’s residency, but they both handle the element realistically and because of that, we buy into it.

But speaking of grandpa, it’s a toothless Abe Vigoda! This is an interesting part of the script because it gives us the conclusion of the film, and to that end actually delivers on something we buy into.

What we have a harder time buying into is the way James sabotages one of Molly’s dates. Why? The date is clearly a schlub and she won’t end up with him. Does he do it just for fun? We’re not really sure.

One thing we are sure of is how great Heckerling is at putting amazing soundtracks together. The music in this film is eminently listenable.

Something that may not hold up as well as the music selections – the kinda creepy fetus puppet we see before Mikey’s born. It’s kinda fun but those eyes... yeah... just a bit creepy...

What was it about this film that drew so many people in at the time? It was successful enough for them to greenlight two sequels and a TV show. Our recollection of the subsequent films is thin but it’s hard to get people to realize just how massively this film was at the time.

We have a great time talking about this film, which may be our least favorite in this series thus far but was still an entertaining watch and a welcome entry into the show. Check it out then tune in to hear all of these thoughts and more. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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“Compared to you, most people have the IQ of a carrot.”

We're Fans of Martha Coolidge's 1985 Film Real Genius

The producer of Real Genius, Brian Grazer, approached director Martha Coolidge a number of times, trying to convince her to direct the film. From Coolidge’s perspective, the script just wasn’t there. It was a juvenile, teen male-oriented comedy and just wasn’t her thing. But Grazer wouldn’t give up. He wanted Coolidge as director for Real Genius so the two of them talked and he agreed to bring on another screenwriter, and also let Coolidge do some uncredited rewrites as well. Coolidge was able to get the script to feel like a story about real students at a real CalTech-adjacent school and kept it from being as straightforward juvenile comedy. The result is smart and fun. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling series with Coolidge’s 1985 film Real Genius.

From Val Kilmer and William Atherton, to the nods to CalTech, to popcorn, here’s what we talk about in this episode about Real Genius.

We both watched the new doc Val about Val Kilmer’s life and recent battle with throat cancer. That put an interesting perspective on his performance here as Chris Knight, the goofball senior. To that point, we also have an opportunity to talk about how much we love his shirts throughout the movie.

William Atherton is a fantastic foil as Dr. Hathaway (much like in Die Hard!), the mean and manipulative professor and Robert Prescott is brilliant as the nerd villain. And as it turns out, Coolidge and company didn’t even realize how accurate they were being with how the government has manipulated students into working on weapons secretly for them.

Speaking of weapons, we talk about how accurate Coolidge fought to be in the script and why this film has influenced so many people to become scientists. And you know how they blow up Hathaway’s house with popcorn? They actually used 140 tons of popcorn for that scene. That’s a lot of popcorn! (I wonder if it was GMO...?)

Aside from Kilmer, we also have Gabriel Jarret, Michelle Meyrink (last discussed in Valley Girl), Jon Gries, Mark Kamiyama, Dean Devlin (last discussed as producer for Independence Day), and more as our students. They’re all great, particularly Meyrink as Jordan and Jarret as Mitch, but we sure would’ve loved more in-depth characters for some of our non-white males in the group. Regardless, it’s a fun group.

But who is the protagonist? Is it Mitch or is it Chris? It seems we’re following both. On a cursory level, it makes it a bit difficult to figure out who we’re supposed to be following. But what’s all this about having a separate main character and protagonist? How does that work and why would someone do it? Turns out, it’s fairly complex but works well here leaving Mitch as the main character and Chris as the protagonist.

What makes this film hold up so well though is the fact that Coolidge wanted to keep the science as real as possible and make school life feel accurate. From the lasers to the dorm graffiti to the party to the strange student living in the steam tunnels, it all feels real. This makes for such a great revisit after all these years.

So check out the movie then tune in to this week’s show. It’s a strong film that is ripe for discovery or re-discovery. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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“You fargin sneaky bastige!”

Director Amy Heckerling obviously did something right with her first feature film, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. For Heckerling’s second feature film, she had almost double the budget that she had before. Considering her second film was a period film, that likely helped. Now it may seem that Johnny Dangerously was a strange choice after her first film captured modern teens so well, but she clearly was tuned into young audiences. Perhaps the producer and studio felt she could carry a period parody and do it in such a way to bring in young audiences. The studio, Twentieth Century Fox, needed a hit after all. And while there were decisions made that date the film, we still find it works. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy With Coolidge & Heckerling series with Heckerling’s 1984 film Johnny Dangerously.

Is there really much to talk about with Johnny Dangerously? You bet there is!

We talk about the nature of parody films, why some work really well, and why this one may not have stood the test of time with some bigger ones like Airplane! and Blazing Saddles (or even Robin Hood: Men in Tights). All the same, we can’t stop our effusive love for this film. That’s likely because of the impressionable age we saw it. We think this is even more true after talking to our Discord community about it only to find many had never even heard of this film.

The cast is bonkers. Michael Keaton. Joe Piscopo. Marilu Henner (theatre genius!). Peter Boyle. Maureen Stapleton. Griffin Dunne. Dom DeLuise. Danny DeVito. Ray Walston. Dick Butkus. Alan Hale Jr. Neal Israel. Jack Nance. Taylor Negron. Vincent Schiavelli. Richard Dimitri. And they all deliver. Especially Marilu Henner – what a voice! They’re all clearly having fun and even when it’s a big surprise to see someone like Stapleton in the film, it’s clear she’s having a good time.

But what’s with the 30s style eye makeup? Yeah, we get that it’s meant to feel like we’re watching a movie from the era, but it feels a bit strange when watching a color film. All the same, we don’t really care too much about this.

The script is chock full of laugh lines, meta humor, fourth wall breakage, and visual gags, and we laugh at most of them. It’s damn funny! We’re not sure why some people just don’t click with it. When writing constant jokes in a script, though, you have to expect some are going to fall flat. But would it have all worked better with the original ending where Johnny dies?

But wait! There's more!

But seriously – what’s with the weird bull joke? It took us forever, but while we were recording, we found the source Schlitz Malt Liquor ad campaign on YouTube to help make the joke make more sense. This leads to a whole conversation about the nature of timed jokes vs. timeless ones, and why jokes that are so key to the era may fall completely flat if you don’t know the reference point. (All the same, check out some of the Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull commercials in our show notes. They’re bonkers! Kevin Kline even turns up in one as Robin Hood!)

Was this the film that saved Fox from certain bankruptcy at the end of the year? Okay, maybe that’s putting a bit too much on this one film but its box office success certainly was welcome for the studio that had been struggling all year.

Last but not least, what are your feelings about “Weird Al" Yankovic? He’s been around for decades and whether you like his stuff or not, it’s hard to argue that he’s not cranking out some very clever work. His title song in this film is a lot of fun!

We acknowledge that Johnny Dangerously may be a film you need to have seen when it came out and have been of a certain age to really click with it, but if you did, you’re likely are like us and have strong feelings for this film. We have such a great time talking about it and reminiscing. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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"I’m so sure!”

The story of Valley Girl is simply another Romeo & Juliet type of tale, but director Martha Coolidge captured a lot more in her film. The movie depicts an authentic look at life as a teenager in the early 80s, particularly the culture that grew out of Valley Speak and the whole concept of what a ‘valley girl’ represented, not just in the San Fernando Valley but anywhere in the country. Because of this sense of authenticity, Coolidge’s film has stood the test of time. Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we continue our 80s Comedy With Coolidge & Heckerling series with Coolidge’s 1983 film Valley Girl.

Here’s a hint at what we talk about in this episode looking at Valley Girl.

Like, totally. Valspeak. Ironic or not, it was a part of our youth, for sure. How was Frank and Moon Unit Zappa’s song connected to it though? And to this film? How did Martha Coolidge find the young Nicolas Cage and get him for one of her leads? And how easy is it to fall in love with Deborah Foreman? The cast is all together perfect in the film, and turns out they largely supplied their own wardrobes! Ah, indie filmmaking. There’s a strong story about finding your own identity though, and that shines through strong. Martha Coolidge is as good at putting soundtracks together as Amy Heckerling is! Wall to wall music and we love it all. And how about the look that defines the two worlds? But what about the required breasts that Coolidge had to include per instructions from the executive producers?

We talk about all that and more in this episode, so check it out then tune in. The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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"What are you waiting for? You’re 15 years old!”

Cameron Crowe already had success as a writer when he went undercover and posed as a high school student to write his book “Fast Times at Ridgemont High: A True Story.” Of course, he was high school age so it made perfect sense. Perhaps that’s why the film adapted from his book feels so authentic of the time and of these youths portrayed. And perhaps part of that is because of how first-time director Amy Heckerling approached the subject matter – for a teen sex comedy, this is actually carrying some fairly heavy themes. But how well do these themes work for us? Turns out they work really well for Andy but not as well for Pete.

Still, it’s a nostalgic flashback to our own youths! Join us – Pete Wright and Andy Nelson – as we kick off our 10th season with the ‘80s Comedy with Coolidge & Heckerling’ series, starting with Heckerling’s 1982 film Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

Here’s a hint at what we talk about in this episode looking at Heckerling’s film.

The film completely brings us back to our younger days with popped collars and bigger hair. The story, however, doesn’t completely work for Pete because it’s spread across too many characters and we don’t get enough time to really connect with any of them. Andy feels the story completely works and operates well as a depiction of the adult world these kids are starting to deal with. Perhaps the problem is that the filmmakers seemed to feel that Jeff Spicoli, played by Sean Penn, was the lead when in reality, it seems to be Stacy’s film (played by Jennifer Jason Leigh).

Regardless, it’s an incredible cast of young actors from the day – a good number in their first roles – and they all do great. There are some strong scenes that carry a lot of weight, but perhaps not enough payoff for them? The music is great and the look completely feels right. Heckerling approaches the film from a matter-of-fact perspective that makes the situations feel real, but perhaps that’s also why it’s harder to connect.

But it’s a film that has a lot more to it than many other teen sex comedies from the decade and to that end, this one definitely stands out. We have a great time talking about it as we kick off our new season. Check it out then tune in! The Next Reel – when the movie ends, our conversation begins!

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