Will Harris talks to ffinlo Costain about his life as a commodity cattleman and what made him change the way he farms.  He describes the dark early days and reflects on how his success brought his family back home, and breathed new life into his community.  He explains why he gets fed up with scientists, who 'bicker and fight all the time' over how to measure carbon, when the benefits are there in the ground for all to see.  Will also offers up words of wisdom for President Biden's new Agriculture Secretary.