Suan explains the problem with "historical retrieval" as stated by Gavin Ortlund in this 5-minute case for Protestantism (2:43): "And to be sure many contemporary Protestants do have a shallow historical consciousness. But Protestantism as such is nothing other than an effort of historical retrieval. The magisterial reformers appealed to the church fathers just as much as, and sometimes more than, they appealed to scripture to oppose what they saw as the novel accretions and innovations of the medieval west." In short, historical retrieval eventually became the extreme secular form of the historical critical method.